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{{hatnote|For the quest, see [[Find the Nightsong]], for other approval systems, see [[Approval]].}} | {{hatnote|For the quest, see [[Find the Nightsong]], for other approval systems, see [[Approval]].}} | ||
== | == About Nightsong Points == | ||
'''Nightsong Points''' are a special approval system, exclusive to [[Shadowheart]]. <br>They influence how the encounter with [[Dame Aylin]] during the final stages of [[Act Two]] plays out, during the quest [[Find the Nightsong]].<br/> | '''Nightsong Points''' are a special approval system, exclusive to [[Shadowheart]]. <br>They influence how the encounter with [[Dame Aylin]] during the final stages of [[Act Two]] plays out, during the quest [[Find the Nightsong]] and also have a certain influence on the final decision in the Shadowheart's [[Daughter of Darkness|personal quest]].<br/> | ||
There are a total of six Nightsong Points available during the first two acts, obtaining at least four will make | There are a total of six Nightsong Points available during the first two acts, obtaining at least four will make Shadowheart start to doubt her devotion to [[Shar]] and unlock otherwise hidden dialogue when encountering the Nightsong. | ||
The internal flag for the Nightsong Points is <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_FLAG</code>. | The internal flag for the Nightsong Points is <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_FLAG</code>. | ||
== Obtaining Nightsong Points == | |||
=== Points 1 & 2 === | === Points 1 & 2 === | ||
The first two points can be acquired after Shadowheart's flashback scene during her [[Companion]] [[quest]], [[Daughter of Darkness]], where she shows the player her young self, as a group of Sharran worshippers corner a wolf in the woods. | The first two points can be acquired after Shadowheart's flashback scene during her [[Companion]] [[quest]], [[Daughter of Darkness]], where she shows the player character her young self, as a group of Sharran worshippers corner a wolf in the woods. | ||
Points one and two have an additional obstacle, as they come available only after Shadowheart's memory. | Points one and two have an additional obstacle, as they come available only after Shadowheart's memory. | ||
To unlock this event, | To unlock this event, at least three '''Wolf Dream Points''' have to obtained, which can be accquired while progressing the story: | ||
# Saving Shadowheart on the Nautiloid (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_NautiloidSaved</code>) | # Saving Shadowheart on the Nautiloid (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_NautiloidSaved</code>) | ||
# During Camp Conversation, when Shadowheart reveals herself as a disciple of Shar, follow this path: (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WorshipGood</code>) | # During Camp Conversation, when Shadowheart reveals herself as a disciple of Shar, follow this path: (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WorshipGood</code>) | ||
#* '''Shadowheart:''' We shed those cloaks. Before Shar we stand gloriously naked, beyond the vanities of mortals. | #* '''Shadowheart:''' ''We shed those cloaks. Before Shar we stand gloriously naked, beyond the vanities of mortals.'' | ||
#* '''Player:''' When you put it like that, it seems strangely comforting. | #* '''Player character:''' ''When you put it like that, it seems strangely comforting.'' | ||
#* '''Shadowheart:''' There's often suffering - death even. Many people break before they embrace Shar's truths. | #* '''Shadowheart:''' ''There's often suffering - death even. Many people break before they embrace Shar's truths.'' | ||
#* '''Player:''' I'd be lying if I said it didn't sound convincing. You should tell me more some time. | #* '''Player character:''' ''I'd be lying if I said it didn't sound convincing. You should tell me more some time.'' | ||
# During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart if you can help with her hand. (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WoundFlarePositive</code>) | # During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart if you can help with her hand. (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WoundFlarePositive</code>) | ||
# During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart to tell you more about herself. (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LearnedPersonalKnowledge</code>) | # During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart to tell you more about herself. (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LearnedPersonalKnowledge</code>) | ||
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# Giving Shadowheart the [[Idol of Shar]] (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_FoundIdolOfShar</code>) | # Giving Shadowheart the [[Idol of Shar]] (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_FoundIdolOfShar</code>) | ||
# Supporting Shadowheart during her fight with [[Lae'zel]] (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LaezelFight</code>) | # Supporting Shadowheart during her fight with [[Lae'zel]] (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LaezelFight</code>) | ||
To now gain the two Nightsong Points, the correct choices in the correct order have to be made. | |||
To now gain the two Nightsong Points, | |||
==== Point 1 ==== | ==== Point 1 ==== | ||
Option 1: | Option 1: | ||
During the conversation with Shadowheart, after her flashback, | During the conversation with Shadowheart, after her flashback, succeeding a passive {{Ability check|Religion|18}} to unlock the conversation option | ||
* You looked like you were wearing a Moonstone...isn't that commonly worn by Selûnites? | * ''You looked like you were wearing a Moonstone...isn't that commonly worn by Selûnites?'' | ||
Option 2: | Option 2: | ||
Reading [[Selûnite Rite]] in [[Owlbear Nest]] before triggering this conversation, will | Reading the [[Selûnite Rite]] in the [[Owlbear Nest]] before triggering this conversation, will reveal the knowledge to skip the passive ability check. | ||
(<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_MadeSeluniteConnection</code>) | (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_MadeSeluniteConnection</code>) | ||
Option 3: | Option 3: | ||
[[Cleric]]s of Selûne who don't read Selûnite Rite, also skip the passive ability check and receive a slightly different narration line. | |||
==== Point 2 ==== | ==== Point 2 ==== | ||
''After'' completing Point 1, | ''After'' completing Point 1, continuing the conversation with | ||
* '''Player:''' No wonder you're so dedicated to Shar - you feel like you owe your life to her. | * '''Player character:''' ''No wonder you're so dedicated to Shar - you feel like you owe your life to her.'' | ||
* '''Shadowheart:''' She made me who I am...at least, as best as I can remember. She taught me, trained me, punished me when I failed her - which was often. | * '''Shadowheart:''' ''She made me who I am...at least, as best as I can remember. She taught me, trained me, punished me when I failed her - which was often.'' | ||
Now | Now picking | ||
* '''Player:''' Sounds like abuse. | * '''Player character:''' Sounds like abuse. | ||
(<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AbuseEmancipation</code>) | (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AbuseEmancipation</code>) | ||
If choosing the conversation paths required for Point 2 before Point 1, then Point 1 will become unobtainable. The dialogue tree for Clerics of Selûne who haven't read Selûnite Rite does '''not''' have this dialogue option, making this point unobtainable by Selûnite characters unless they also read it before initiating the flashback. | |||
=== Point 3 === | === Point 3 === | ||
This point is only available after Shadowheart's wound has flared up four times. A new conversation option will appear: | This point is only available after Shadowheart's wound has flared up four times. A new conversation option will appear: | ||
* Your wound is causing you too much pain, Shadowheart. There must be a way to heal it. | * ''Your wound is causing you too much pain, Shadowheart. There must be a way to heal it.'' | ||
If | If the approval is 20+, the player character can either pass a {{Ability check|Religion|10}} or {{Ability check|Persuasion|12}} to gain the Nightsong point. | ||
(<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_CureIncurableWound</code>) | (<code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_CureIncurableWound</code>) | ||
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This point can be acquired in a couple of ways, while the party is in the [[Gauntlet of Shar]]: | This point can be acquired in a couple of ways, while the party is in the [[Gauntlet of Shar]]: | ||
* '''Shadowheart:''' I've dreamed of this place. This is my destiny - I must complete the trials. | * '''Shadowheart:''' ''I've dreamed of this place. This is my destiny - I must complete the trials.'' | ||
* '''Player:''' All right, I'll help if I can. | * '''Player character:''' ''All right, I'll help if I can.'' | ||
Otherwise, agreeing to let Shadowheart activate any of the three trials will give you the same point. | Otherwise, agreeing to let Shadowheart activate any of the three trials will give you the same point. | ||
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== Changes to dialogue == | == Changes to dialogue == | ||
After | After obtaining 4 Nightsong points, the player charcter automatically receives <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints</code> flag and Shadowheart might immediately trigger a conversation about her being conflicted. This might not trigger straight away, if other events are queued. As usual, new conversation are indicated by the <code>!</code> above their head. | ||
More new conversation opportunities will unlock after going to camp the next time, this time without any indicators, other than Shadowhearts changed body language.<br>If you [[long rest]] or leave camp before talking to her here, this will be become unavailable.<br/> | |||
== The Nightsong == | |||
During the encounter with the Nightsong, the following flags are checked to enable to additional conversation options: | During the encounter with the Nightsong, the following flags are checked to enable to additional conversation options: | ||
* 4+ Nightsong Points | * 4+ Nightsong Points | ||
* 40+ [[Shadowheart/Approval|Approval]] Raiting | * 40+ [[Shadowheart/Approval|Approval]] Raiting | ||
If either threshold is hit, Shadowheart will always spare the Nightsong, if the player doesn't explicitly tell her to kill her. | If either threshold is hit, Shadowheart will always spare the Nightsong, if the player character doesn't explicitly tell her to kill her. | ||
If having a 40+ approval rating with Shadowheart, it is possible to choose the option ''She knows something about you. Spare her, and see what she has to say'' without any DC. | |||
If the player has 20-40 [[Approval]], but enough Nightsong Points, the conversation will always end in Shadowheart killing the Nightsong. This is assumed to a bug. | If the player character has 20-40 [[Approval]], but enough Nightsong Points, the conversation will always end in Shadowheart killing the Nightsong. This is assumed to a bug. | ||
== | == Shadowheart's parents == | ||
At the end of | At the end of her [[Daughter of Darkness|personal quest]], Shadowheart will have to make a decision: kill her parents or free them. | ||
If choosing the option ''This is your choice, Shadowheart. You don't need me to tell you what is right.'' and <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints</code> has been recieved (by scoring 4 Nightsong Points): Shadowheart will always kill her parents (regardless of whether she is a Dark Justiciar or not). To free Shadowheart's parents, the player character will have to choose a DC 20 [[Religion]] check or DC 20 [[Persuasion]] check to convince Shadowheart to spare her parents. | |||
This happens because getting the Nightsong Points' flag <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints</code> blocks getting Parent Points' flag <code>ORI_Shadowheart_State_ParentPoint_HasEnoughPoints</code>, which can be received by obtaining two of three [[Daughter of Darkness#Shar's final test|Parent Points]]. The Parent Points' flag is necessary for Shadowheart to free her parents without a dice check. It is not possible to receive both flags in the same playthrough. | |||
If | That means, if Selûnite Shadowheart spared the Nightsong without being convinced to by DC checks, than she won't spare her parents without being convinced to by DC checks. | ||
If not having received the Nightsong Points' flag and choosing the ''This is your choice...'' option, then a 50+ approval rating and having recieved the Parent Points' flag will result in Shadowheart freeing her parents instead of killing them. | |||
== See also == | == See also == | ||
* [[Daughter of Darkness]] | |||
* [[Find the Nightsong]] | |||
* [[Shadowheart]] | * [[Shadowheart]] | ||
* [[Shadowheart/Approval]] | * [[Shadowheart/Approval]] | ||
== External Links == | == External Links == | ||
[https://youtu.be/YdNEya-Np5U?si=JiCoXo-gIvkEPAe8 Shadowheart's Hidden Score | "Nightsong Points" Explained] by SlimX | * [https://youtu.be/YdNEya-Np5U?si=JiCoXo-gIvkEPAe8 Shadowheart's Hidden Score | "Nightsong Points" Explained] by SlimX | ||
* [https://youtu.be/4d0zJ4Uy4pI?si=_XVfH3G6p4c19nlP How Does Shadowheart Decide? | "Parent Points" Explained] by SlimX | |||
[https://youtu.be/4d0zJ4Uy4pI?si=_XVfH3G6p4c19nlP How Does Shadowheart Decide? | "Parent Points" Explained] by SlimX | |||
[[Category:Approval]] | [[Category:Approval]] | ||
[[Category:Gameplay mechanics]] | [[Category:Gameplay mechanics]] | ||
Latest revision as of 18:16, 26 September 2024
About Nightsong Points[edit | edit source]
Nightsong Points are a special approval system, exclusive to Shadowheart.
They influence how the encounter with Dame Aylin during the final stages of Act Two plays out, during the quest Find the Nightsong and also have a certain influence on the final decision in the Shadowheart's personal quest.
There are a total of six Nightsong Points available during the first two acts, obtaining at least four will make Shadowheart start to doubt her devotion to Shar and unlock otherwise hidden dialogue when encountering the Nightsong.
The internal flag for the Nightsong Points is ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_FLAG.
Obtaining Nightsong Points[edit | edit source]
Points 1 & 2[edit | edit source]
The first two points can be acquired after Shadowheart's flashback scene during her Companion quest, Daughter of Darkness, where she shows the player character her young self, as a group of Sharran worshippers corner a wolf in the woods. Points one and two have an additional obstacle, as they come available only after Shadowheart's memory.
To unlock this event, at least three Wolf Dream Points have to obtained, which can be accquired while progressing the story:
- Saving Shadowheart on the Nautiloid (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_NautiloidSaved) - During Camp Conversation, when Shadowheart reveals herself as a disciple of Shar, follow this path: (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WorshipGood)- Shadowheart: We shed those cloaks. Before Shar we stand gloriously naked, beyond the vanities of mortals.
- Player character: When you put it like that, it seems strangely comforting.
- Shadowheart: There's often suffering - death even. Many people break before they embrace Shar's truths.
- Player character: I'd be lying if I said it didn't sound convincing. You should tell me more some time.
- During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart if you can help with her hand. (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_WoundFlarePositive) - During Camp Conversation, ask Shadowheart to tell you more about herself. (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LearnedPersonalKnowledge) - During Camp Conversation, find out about her suppressed memories. (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_MissingMemories) - Giving Shadowheart the Idol of Shar (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_FoundIdolOfShar) - Supporting Shadowheart during her fight with Lae'zel (
ORI_Shadowheart_State_WolfDreamPoint_LaezelFight)
To now gain the two Nightsong Points, the correct choices in the correct order have to be made.
Point 1[edit | edit source]
Option 1:
During the conversation with Shadowheart, after her flashback, succeeding a passive 
DC 18 Religion check to unlock the conversation option
- You looked like you were wearing a Moonstone...isn't that commonly worn by Selûnites?
Option 2:
Reading the Selûnite Rite in the Owlbear Nest before triggering this conversation, will reveal the knowledge to skip the passive ability check.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_MadeSeluniteConnection)
Option 3: Clerics of Selûne who don't read Selûnite Rite, also skip the passive ability check and receive a slightly different narration line.
Point 2[edit | edit source]
After completing Point 1, continuing the conversation with
- Player character: No wonder you're so dedicated to Shar - you feel like you owe your life to her.
- Shadowheart: She made me who I am...at least, as best as I can remember. She taught me, trained me, punished me when I failed her - which was often.
Now picking
- Player character: Sounds like abuse.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AbuseEmancipation)
If choosing the conversation paths required for Point 2 before Point 1, then Point 1 will become unobtainable. The dialogue tree for Clerics of Selûne who haven't read Selûnite Rite does not have this dialogue option, making this point unobtainable by Selûnite characters unless they also read it before initiating the flashback.
Point 3[edit | edit source]
This point is only available after Shadowheart's wound has flared up four times. A new conversation option will appear:
- Your wound is causing you too much pain, Shadowheart. There must be a way to heal it.
If the approval is 20+, the player character can either pass a DC 10 Religion check or DC 12 Persuasion check to gain the Nightsong point.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_CureIncurableWound)
This Point can become unobtainable if the wound flare happens outside of conversation. The occurring flare doesn't get added to the required 4 and stops future points from being added as well (Patch 6, version 4.1.1.5022896).
Point 4[edit | edit source]
Convincing Shadowheart to eat the Noblestalk, triggering A Familiar Face and awarding the fourth point.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AteNoblestalk)
Make sure to complete Point 3 first, as consuming the Noblestalk will trigger a bugged Wound flare and will prevent any future wound flares counting towards the Point 3 progression.
Point 5[edit | edit source]
Giving Shadowheart a Night Orchid will attribute another point.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_GaveNightOrchid)
Point 6[edit | edit source]
This point can be acquired in a couple of ways, while the party is in the Gauntlet of Shar:
- Shadowheart: I've dreamed of this place. This is my destiny - I must complete the trials.
- Player character: All right, I'll help if I can.
Otherwise, agreeing to let Shadowheart activate any of the three trials will give you the same point.
(ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_AgreedToTrials)
Changes to dialogue[edit | edit source]
After obtaining 4 Nightsong points, the player charcter automatically receives ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints flag and Shadowheart might immediately trigger a conversation about her being conflicted. This might not trigger straight away, if other events are queued. As usual, new conversation are indicated by the ! above their head.
More new conversation opportunities will unlock after going to camp the next time, this time without any indicators, other than Shadowhearts changed body language.
If you long rest or leave camp before talking to her here, this will be become unavailable.
The Nightsong[edit | edit source]
During the encounter with the Nightsong, the following flags are checked to enable to additional conversation options:
- 4+ Nightsong Points
- 40+ Approval Raiting
If either threshold is hit, Shadowheart will always spare the Nightsong, if the player character doesn't explicitly tell her to kill her.
If having a 40+ approval rating with Shadowheart, it is possible to choose the option She knows something about you. Spare her, and see what she has to say without any DC.
If the player character has 20-40 Approval, but enough Nightsong Points, the conversation will always end in Shadowheart killing the Nightsong. This is assumed to a bug.
Shadowheart's parents[edit | edit source]
At the end of her personal quest, Shadowheart will have to make a decision: kill her parents or free them.
If choosing the option This is your choice, Shadowheart. You don't need me to tell you what is right. and ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints has been recieved (by scoring 4 Nightsong Points): Shadowheart will always kill her parents (regardless of whether she is a Dark Justiciar or not). To free Shadowheart's parents, the player character will have to choose a DC 20 Religion check or DC 20 Persuasion check to convince Shadowheart to spare her parents.
This happens because getting the Nightsong Points' flag ORI_Shadowheart_State_NightsongPoint_HasEnoughPoints blocks getting Parent Points' flag ORI_Shadowheart_State_ParentPoint_HasEnoughPoints, which can be received by obtaining two of three Parent Points. The Parent Points' flag is necessary for Shadowheart to free her parents without a dice check. It is not possible to receive both flags in the same playthrough.
That means, if Selûnite Shadowheart spared the Nightsong without being convinced to by DC checks, than she won't spare her parents without being convinced to by DC checks.
If not having received the Nightsong Points' flag and choosing the This is your choice... option, then a 50+ approval rating and having recieved the Parent Points' flag will result in Shadowheart freeing her parents instead of killing them.