Template talk:Lower City

On reorganizing the template

After updating most articles on Lower City locations, I've come to several things which - in my opinion - would make the template more consistent. Its shortening seems to be an almost inaccessible height, as there are lots of minor vignettes' characters which are simply not included. So.

1. The template should be subdivided according to major locations, with NPCs included as they are in articles. This should make it easier to find the approximate whereabouts for any of them simply looking on the map. Current mix of locations and factions is confusing, at the very least.

2. Factions which should be left as such are Flaming Fist (but it should include street-patrolling ones only), Traders, Murder Victims (including those still alive) and Creatures. Possibly Animals and Children as well, for most of them are actually added for flavour and do not take part in any quests, just getting underfoot most literally.

3. Those locations which have in total over 35 characters (or close to this threshold, including surroundings) deserve their own separate template. On my notes, these currently are Baldur's Mouth, Basilisk Gate Barracks, Bloomridge Park, Cloister of Sombre Embrace, Counting House, Elfsong, Grey Harbour Docks, and The Blushing Mermaid. Consequently, characters mentioned there leave the overall template. The exclusions are impelled "overlaps":

• several gazette reporters and paper hawkers who wander far - simply to avoid "why here/not here" questions
• characters which have to be mentioned both here and in Upper City/Undercity templates due to affiliation with both (f.e. charmed servants in Szarr Tower ramparts or the spawn who appear in the campsite)

4. On the opposite, minor locations which have less than 10 characters (including vignettes) should fall together in Others subcategory, provided their characters are not traders and do not take part in any quest (and due to it do not appear in other locations, like Lora Bergauz and her daughter). Approximately, this should count about 20 characters or so total.

5. Locations section should also be subcategorized into: Stores, Private Houses, and Other premises. The latter might optionally include "Places of worship and ritual" (e.g. Stormshore Tabernacle, WaterQueen House, House of Grief and the Graveyard); otherwise, these latter can perhaps get a separate subcat. Lesser locations which are accessible only through major ones should rest into parenthesis like in other templates (example -> Sorcerous Sundries (Sorcerous Vault).). This includes cases when one is a shop, and the other is not (though Sundries seems to be only one such place).

6. The Quests section also lacks several quests. The very least changes here should be dividing local quests from plot-important quests, and adding origin versions of quests which are completed here.

I'm pretty sure I'm opening yet another can of worms here, but the current state of the template dispirits me. Arikel (talk) 08:40, 18 January 2026 (CET)