Talk:Mirror of Loss

Mapping of the Heart

Going through with the complete questioning gives you Double Dice advantage on the Religion check.

Dec 12th 2023 Update

There's many different responses to Mirror of Loss in the Internet. Follows what I noticed: 1. Respec all to bard except Shadowheart (as Cleric), placing everyone with max Int and Expertise in Arcana and Religion. 2. With Character 1, select option 2 (Religion test, but not the one on prayer). 3. Use Fox Cunning, Guidance and Bardic Inspiration to help the tests. 4. Surrender a memory to try and get the reply "Dissapointment...", that gives +1 Cha (Patrior's Memory). 5. If you didn't get it, you can try again and again, up to all 7 times (6 abilities + 1 Deception check). But don't spend all the attempts. There is a CHANCE you'll get the memory that gives +2, so save some, maybe 3, to ensure you'll get the +2. 6. Once you get the +1 Cha, go with Character 2, sacrifice some memories (up to 4). If you got, your luck; if not, maybe reload. 7. Once you get the +1 Cha (or spend all of your tries), go with Character 3 to attempt the +1 Cha as well. 8. As Character 4 is Shadowheart, no use on going with her. 9. Now, with one character, do the prayer, and start over giving away memories until you get the option to +2 Ability. 10. Do the same with character 2. 11. Do the same with character 3.

Hope this helps.

Very good. I just wanted to add that Bard 1 & Rogue 11 is slightly better because you get Reliable Talent with Rogue 11 - that guarantees every roll on a proficient skill is at least 10. Together with Religion 14 (5 from INT, 2x4 from Proficiency & Expertise, 1 from Mage's Friend (Ring)) and e.g. Guidance, you don't even need advantage (Fox's Cunning) to guarantee a 25.

Another comment: If optimizing builds, there's surprisingly almost no case in which a non-CHA-character (e.g. a fighter) benefits at all from the +1 CHA buff from the Mirror of Loss. Assuming WIS is better than CHA in this case (e.g. for a fighter) because of the constantly occuring passive Perception checks, the character would get CHA 9 due to the Mirror of Loss, so it would be required to spend 1 ability point in the following respeccing to get any benefit from the buff, i.e. CHA 10 --> CHA-modifier 0 instead of -1. Unfortunately there's usually no possibility to spend this 1 ability point on CHA without ruining the remaining values; by which I mean that one of the values would be left uneven or not min-maxed, i.e. not optimized. --Gewinnste (talk) 17:08, 27 September 2024 (CEST)

Memory Bonuses

Someone added "verification needed" for getting both +1 Cha and +2 stat bonuses. I don't know an in-game "citation" can be provided, but I did it with all my companions (my main wasn't even save scummed). Just think it through logically: You have up to 6 tries to get a reward, and the prayer (Religion check) can be done at any time. If you offer the prayer and get the +2 stat bonus before getting the Patriar's Memory, you can't give any more memories; you have no more chances to get +1 Cha. But if you don't offer a prayer (initially), you can't get the +2 reward that locks you out of giving more memories. So: You use n tries to get the Patriar's Memory and then offer the prayer; if successful, you have 6-n more attempts to get the +2 bonus. Sinister Stairs (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2025 (CET)