Talk:Mirror of Loss

Mapping of the Heart

Going through with the complete questioning gives you Double Dice advantage on the Religion check.

Dec 12th 2023 Update

There's many different responses to Mirror of Loss in the Internet. Follows what I noticed: 1. Respec all to bard except Shadowheart (as Cleric), placing everyone with max Int and Expertise in Arcana and Religion. 2. With Character 1, select option 2 (Religion test, but not the one on prayer). 3. Use Fox Cunning, Guidance and Bardic Inspiration to help the tests. 4. Surrender a memory to try and get the reply "Dissapointment...", that gives +1 Cha (Patrior's Memory). 5. If you didn't get it, you can try again and again, up to all 7 times (6 abilities + 1 Deception check). But don't spend all the attempts. There is a CHANCE you'll get the memory that gives +2, so save some, maybe 3, to ensure you'll get the +2. 6. Once you get the +1 Cha, go with Character 2, sacrifice some memories (up to 4). If you got, your luck; if not, maybe reload. 7. Once you get the +1 Cha (or spend all of your tries), go with Character 3 to attempt the +1 Cha as well. 8. As Character 4 is Shadowheart, no use on going with her. 9. Now, with one character, do the prayer, and start over giving away memories until you get the option to +2 Ability. 10. Do the same with character 2. 11. Do the same with character 3.

Hope this helps.

Very good. I just wanted to add that Bard 1 & Rogue 11 is slightly better because you get Reliable Talent with Rogue 11 - that guarantees every roll on a proficient skill is at least 10. Together with Religion 14 (5 from INT, 2x4 from Proficiency & Expertise, 1 from Mage's Friend (Ring)) and e.g. Guidance, you don't even need advantage (Fox's Cunning) to guarantee a 25.

Another comment: If optimizing builds, there's surprisingly almost no case in which a non-CHA-character (e.g. a fighter) benefits at all from the +1 CHA buff from the Mirror of Loss. Assuming WIS is better than CHA in this case (e.g. for a fighter) because of the constantly occuring passive Perception checks, the character would get CHA 9 due to the Mirror of Loss, so it would be required to spend 1 ability point in the following respeccing to get any benefit from the buff, i.e. CHA 10 --> CHA-modifier 0 instead of -1. Unfortunately there's usually no possibility to spend this 1 ability point on CHA without ruining the remaining values; by which I mean that one of the values would be left uneven or not min-maxed, i.e. not optimized. --Gewinnste (talk) 17:08, 27 September 2024 (CEST)

Memory Bonuses

Someone added "verification needed" for getting both +1 Cha and +2 stat bonuses. I don't know an in-game "citation" can be provided, but I did it with all my companions (my main wasn't even save scummed). Just think it through logically: You have up to 6 tries to get a reward, and the prayer (Religion check) can be done at any time. If you offer the prayer and get the +2 stat bonus before getting the Patriar's Memory, you can't give any more memories; you have no more chances to get +1 Cha. But if you don't offer a prayer (initially), you can't get the +2 reward that locks you out of giving more memories. So: You use n tries to get the Patriar's Memory and then offer the prayer; if successful, you have 6-n more attempts to get the +2 bonus. Sinister Stairs (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2025 (CET)

Selunite Shadowheart

The article claims that Selunite Shadowheart cannot benefit from the mirror. However, the dialogue file LOW_SharGrotto_MemoryMirror.html has lines for her to exchange her unique memories for a boon: a Noblestalk memory for CON, a graffiti memory for DEX, a graveyard memory for INT, a hideaway memory for WIS, and feelings of romance (if she is romanced by the PC) for CHA. STRength boon is absent.

However, I could not play out any of these, though in my current playthrough she gathered everything except Noblestalk. (Perhaps this should be done if she has not dealt with her parents yet, I tried the Mirror afterwards) Has anyone tried this as well? It is definitely worth adding to the article if true Arikel (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2026 (CET)

I can check my origin SH save (with Noblestalk), let me get back to this. Yuvixadun (talk) 18:14, 9 March 2026 (CET)

In the save SH killed the Nightsong. In case she ignores her parents or kills them she can get the +2 stats. In case she frees her parents there is a check, but even succeeding it will indeed state The mirror states she has already surrendered most of her memories to it and cannot offer up anymore. So it seems to be correct. I cannot test the save Nightsong scenario, but that's likely the same as saving her parents (assumption though).

In none of these cases I see an option related to the Noblestalk. Yuvixadun (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2026 (CET)

This seems to resemble what I got. But when I look at the dialogue, the SHARPATH tag goes independently apart these lines I found. The CON line has the ORI_Shadowheart_State_NobleStalkMemory tag and runs as "Rediscovering your long-lost friend bolstered your very being - surrender that feeling." Arikel (talk) 19:35, 9 March 2026 (CET)