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'''TLDR:''' There's conflicting information in-game about what Pronouns belong to The Emperor, and The Emperor never explicitly says "these are my pronouns" to the Player. There are plausible reasons for deniability on multiple fronts of this argument, but you may be able to help if you can find in-game evidence that we don't currently have. | '''TLDR:''' There's conflicting information in-game about what Pronouns belong to The Emperor, and The Emperor never explicitly says "these are my pronouns" to the Player. There are plausible reasons for deniability on multiple fronts of this argument, but you may be able to help if you can find in-game evidence that we don't currently have. | ||
'''ADDENDUM #1 ([[User:ArcaneFocus|ArcaneFocus]] ([[User talk:ArcaneFocus|talk]]) 19:00, 3 October 2023 (CEST))'''-- I have been informed that, prior to my writing of all this, wiki policy had previously reached a decision about what pronouns to use on The Emperor's pages. I want to leave this debate up, in case future contributors wind up in the same situation, but I will also find a way to link directly to the "official" wiki decision on this for people who need a quick answer. | |||
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[[User:ArcaneFocus|ArcaneFocus]] ([[User talk:ArcaneFocus|talk]]) 18:39, 3 October 2023 (CEST) | [[User:ArcaneFocus|ArcaneFocus]] ([[User talk:ArcaneFocus|talk]]) 18:39, 3 October 2023 (CEST) | ||
:I scanned through the localization files briefly to track down some pronoun usage in reference to The Emperor. "It" does seem to be certainly the most prevalent. Used in quest objectives which should be non-biased: [[Visit the Emperor's Old Hideout|"The Emperor asked us to check its old hideout"]]; [[Confront the Elder Brain|"We drove the Emperor away - it has joined sides with what we now know to be a Netherbrain."]] | |||
:Lae'zel has the line: "The Emperor will resist. It will lie, it will cajole - it might even beg. But there is only one answer it deserves: Death." if you talk to her in the Astral Plane just before freeing Orpheus in the endgame. Though she's obviously not the most neutral source when it comes to ''ghaik''... | |||
:If you crush the astral tadpole, Astarion says [https://youtu.be/GaF8FLEINQo?t=61 "At least you showed it what you thought of its offer"]. | |||
:I haven't seen anything using "he" yet, for what it's worth. [[User:Hargrimm|Hargrimm]] ([[User talk:Hargrimm|talk]]) 20:53, 3 October 2023 (CEST) | |||
::I'm not privy to any previous discussions on pronouns for the Emperor, but I do agree just for the sake of simplicity, we can use "it". I'd be inclined to also use "he/him" given his past persona and atypical situation, but it's really up to the editors of the page. I think we can do the same with other illithid like Omeluum and K. Either way, if you could, could you add the final decision made by the community at the top of your post for any future editors to easily see? Thanks in advance.[[User:Emeff|Emeff]] ([[User talk:Emeff|talk]]) 18:46, 30 January 2024 (CET) | |||
:::: This was previously resolved and is covered by the [[Help: Style manual#Pronouns|style manual]]. [[User:Willowisp|Willowisp]] ([[User talk:Willowisp|talk]]) 00:45, 31 January 2024 (CET) |