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 ====Romance conclusion====
-If the player long-rests after the Rite concludes, an additional scene with Astarion will be triggered. The scenes will be different depending on the outcome of the Rite. Both cutscenes include a dialogue and - possibly - a subsequent romance scene.
+If the player long-rests after the Rite concludes, an additional scene with Astarion will be triggered. The scenes will be different depending on the outcome of the [[The_Pale_Elf#Ending_1:_Astarion_completes_the_Rite_of_Profane_Ascension|Rite of Profane Ascension]]. Both cutscenes include a dialogue and - possibly - a subsequent romance scene.
-* If the player chose to help Astarion become an Ascendant, they will have an option to become a vampire spawn. This suggestion may come straightaway from the player character, but if the player does not use this line, Astarion himself will eventually try to seduce them into becoming a spawn. During the course of conversation, multiple dialogue options can lead to Astarion telling the player character he loves them (with allowance for his new understanding of the 'love' concept).
+* If the player chose to help Astarion become an Ascendant, they will have an option to become a vampire spawn. This proposal may come straightaway from the player character, but if the player does not use this line, Astarion himself will eventually try to seduce them into becoming a spawn. During the course of conversation, multiple dialogue options can lead to Astarion telling the player character he loves them (with allowance for his ''new'' understanding of the 'love' concept).
 :* If the player eventually consents to becoming a spawn, they can then choose to sleep with Astarion again or not. However, neither choice here will impact the new-sprung Ascendant's decision to turn the player character, the only difference is whether another scene of sexual intercourse is shown. If Astarion's approval hasn't come up to 100 yet, agreeing to sleep with him will raise it a bit.
-:: Regardless, the cutscene proceeds into another background (depending on the location of the player’s camp) and another dialogue with Astarion, where he will ask the player to kneel. At this point the player may roll a [[Wisdom]] check to unearth Astarion's true attitude towards the player character. Successful check will reveal that as Ascendant, he considers even his beloved one belonging to the lower order of creatures and will treat them accordingly. Nevertheless, the player might still kneel, or refuse to do it, or choose to kick Astarion in the balls {{note|Doing this will cause Astarion to permanently leave the party}}.
+:: Regardless, the cutscene proceeds into another background (depending on the location of the player’s camp) and another dialogue with Astarion, where he will ask the player to kneel. At this point the player may roll a [[Wisdom]] check to unearth Astarion's true attitude towards the player character. Successful check will reveal that as Ascendant, he considers even his beloved one belonging to the lower order of creatures and will ever treat them accordingly. Nevertheless, the player might still kneel, or refuse to do it, or choose to kick Astarion in the balls {{note|Doing this will cause Astarion to permanently leave the party}}.
-:: Agreeing to kneel will trigger the process proper of turning the player character. Astarion will thank them for giving him everything (though it's unclear is that everything he wanted or everything the character posessed, including their own life). After awakening, the player will have received the [[Vampire Bite|Bite]] ability which provides the [[Happy (Condition)|Happy]] condition {{note|However, the character's condition infobox will still have Astarion's name in it}}.
+:: Agreeing to kneel will trigger the process proper of turning the player character. Astarion will thank them for giving him ''everything'' (though it remains unclear whether he means everything ''he himself'' ever wanted to obtain, or everything the character ever had, including their own life). After awakening, the player will have received the [[Vampire Bite|Bite]] ability which provides the [[Happy (Condition)|Happy]] condition {{note|However, the character's condition infobox will still have the formulation "Astarion's vampiric hunger has been sated…" in it}}.
-:: If the player refuses to kneel twice, Astarion will leave and end the relationship. In his new state, he obviously does not want to continue the relationship with a character he won't be able to control.
+:: If the player refuses to kneel twice, Astarion will leave and, in addition, end the romance. In his new state, he obviously does not want to continue the relationship with a character he won't be able to control.
-:* Players romancing Ascended Astarion as [[Karlach]] will also ultimately break up with Astarion, as he will be unable to turn Karlach into his spawn. If he attempted and failed to turn her, Astarion will blame Karlach and become derisive towards her. {{note|After failing to turn her, Ascended Astarion will call Karlach "pathetic", "broken", and pointedly; "doomed".{{ref|"Savouring "doomed"" - dialogue node context when breaking up with Ascendant Astarion as Karlach.}}}}
+:* Players romancing Ascended Astarion as [[Karlach]] will also ultimately break up with Astarion, as he will be unable to turn Karlach into his spawn. If he attempted and failed to turn her, Astarion will blame Karlach for it and become derisive towards her. {{note|After failing to turn her, Ascended Astarion will call Karlach "pathetic", "broken", and pointedly; "doomed".{{ref|"Savouring "doomed"" - dialogue node context when breaking up with Ascendant Astarion as Karlach.}}}}
-* If Astarion was convinced not to go through the Rite, he will tell the player he would like to show them something outside the camp. He will take them to the cemetery and show his own grave {{note| In general walkthrough the player cannot find his tombstone at the cemetery, but by other landmarks it seems to be located under the huge willow, next to Karlach's parents' graves}}. After the initial discussion, Astarion will chisel a new 'birth' date on the tombstone and confess his love to player character. Through the dialogue, even ironical and sarcastic lines won't make the spawn to break-up with the player character. After that, the player can consent to sleeping with Astarion or not; again, neither option impacts the further relationship. If the player agrees, the scene will proceed into romance intercourse right on Astarion's grave.
+* If Astarion was successfully convinced not to perform the Rite, he will tell the player he would like to show them something outside the camp. He will take them to the Lower City [[Graveyard]] and show his own grave {{note| In general walkthrough the player cannot find his tombstone at the cemetery, but by other landmarks it seems to be located under the huge willow, next to Karlach's parents' graves}}. After the initial discussion, Astarion will chisel a new 'birth' date on the tombstone and confess his love to player character. Through the dialogue, even ironical and sarcastic lines won't make the spawn to break up with the player character. After that, the player can consent to sleeping with Astarion or not; again, neither option impacts the further relationship. If the player agrees, the scene will proceed into romance intercourse right nearby Astarion's grave.
 If the player does not long-rest and instead goes straight to the end-game fight, the relationship continues between Astarion and a mortal player. In that case, the final partnered cutscene with Astarion the Ascendant will include the option to ask him make the character his spawn {{verify}}.
-Regardless of the Rite conclusion, on the next morning Astarion will have a unique dialogue with the player character (prompting it himself in case he turned them into a spawn). During it he either reveals his truly napoleonic plans of conquering as much influence and power as he can (as an Ascendant, with the spawn character by his side or without them), or will discuss thoughtfully the retrospective of what has happened in the dungeons and thank the player again for leading him away from the edge of losing his true identity. At this point the player might again choose the option to break up with him deliberately. Interestingly, Astarion the Ascendant will be outraged about the break-up if he has already turned the player character into a spawn, but still consent to it (probably being sure he might be able to order them to return should he have have such a whim).
+Regardless of the Rite conclusion, on the next morning the player character might have a unique dialogue with Astarion (he will prompt it himself in case he turned them into a spawn). As an Ascendant, during it he reveals his truly napoleonic plans of conquering as much influence and power as he can (with the spawn character by his side or without them). Otherwise, he will discuss thoughtfully the retrospective of what has happened in the dungeons and thank the player again for leading him away from the edge of losing his true identity. At this point the player might again choose the option to break up with him deliberately. Interestingly, Astarion the Ascendant will be utterly outraged about the break-up if he has already turned the player character into a spawn, but still consent to it (probably being sure he might be able to order them to return should he have have such a whim).
-If the player refused to become a vampire spawn and still kept high enough approval from Astarion, then after several long rests Astarion will prompt another dialogue. Obviously having simmered down, he will tell the player that he may even understand and take in their decision. Still, Astarion will confess that he wanted to turn the player character into a spawn only to acquire a plaything and have some fun but eventually discard them. Nonetheless, he will promise to stay by the player's side until the party will have dealed with the Netherbrain.
+If the player refused to become a vampire spawn and still kept high enough approval from Astarion, then after several long rests Astarion will prompt another dialogue. Obviously having cooled down a little, he will tell the player that he may even understand and take in their decision. Still, Astarion will confess that he wanted to turn the player character into a spawn only to acquire a plaything and have some fun but eventually discard them. Nonetheless, he will promise to stay by the player's side until the party will have dealed with the [[Netherbrain]].
 ===Epilogue party===