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:The article states that Scratch "is also the only familiar capable of the Help action". Which is correct. While all familiars are summons, not all summons are familiars. Like all apples are fruit but not all fruit are apples. One difference is that the hp of a summoned companion increases when the ranger levels up. The hp of a familiar stays the same throughout all 12 levels of the player. There might be more differences, idk. The Help action is included in the description of exceptional training. [[User:Alithea|Alithea]] ([[User talk:Alithea|talk]]) 08:19, 27 February 2024 (CET) | :The article states that Scratch "is also the only familiar capable of the Help action". Which is correct. While all familiars are summons, not all summons are familiars. Like all apples are fruit but not all fruit are apples. One difference is that the hp of a summoned companion increases when the ranger levels up. The hp of a familiar stays the same throughout all 12 levels of the player. There might be more differences, idk. The Help action is included in the description of exceptional training. [[User:Alithea|Alithea]] ([[User talk:Alithea|talk]]) 08:19, 27 February 2024 (CET) | ||
::sure, I get what you mean. I'd assumed you were responding to Harvey who was responding to Dennis who asked if there is any "elemental, familiar, undead, etc, besides Scratch who has Help?" to which the answer is 'no' if you only consider elementals, familiars, and undead, and 'yes' if you consider all summon-able characters/beings/entities within that "etc". This brings up a good question: Is there a recognized term for summonable beings? I can't find a wiki page to clarify what term might be used to group Scratch, elementals, and ranger companions all together. Is it "Minion"? --[[User:Jacktavarian|Jacktavarian]] ([[User talk:Jacktavarian|talk]]) 21:11, 27 February 2024 (CET) | ::sure, I get what you mean. I'd assumed you were responding to Harvey who was responding to Dennis who asked if there is any "elemental, familiar, undead, etc, besides Scratch who has Help?" to which the answer is 'no' if you only consider elementals, familiars, and undead, and 'yes' if you consider all summon-able characters/beings/entities within that "etc". This brings up a good question: Is there a recognized term for summonable beings? I can't find a wiki page to clarify what term might be used to group Scratch, elementals, and ranger companions all together. Is it "Minion"? --[[User:Jacktavarian|Jacktavarian]] ([[User talk:Jacktavarian|talk]]) 21:11, 27 February 2024 (CET) | ||
:::The Quasit is a one time minion, like the little minions from the [[Spider Egg Sac]]. Unless you learn the summon quasit spell, then it becomes a familiar that you can get back each long rest, like Scratch and Us. Lump is summonable, but a very limited number of times, so he's somewhere in between. And you don't control him, unlike a typical minion. You can have NPCs like Jaheria join your party as a fifth member, and you can control them, but you don't have full control, like access to her inventory. She has to become a full party member for that.<P>I don't think there's any easy terminology possible, because the game has every variety of minion type: full party members, partial, summonable once, summonable a few times, full control, partial control, inventory access, etc. Which means that what you should do is try to include in an article specifically what they can and can't do. Just saying they're a "companion" or a "minion" or "summons" is bound to be ambiguous and unhelpful, so you have to spell it out. --[[User:Dennis Bratland|Dennis Bratland]] ([[User talk:Dennis Bratland|talk]]) 03:26, 28 February 2024 (CET) | |||