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* It is possible to have an intercourse with [[Mizora]]. The player character will be caught by Karlach at the end of it and asked to explain. She will be deeply hurt, but will not end the relationship.
* It is possible to have an intercourse with [[Mizora]]. The player character will be caught by Karlach at the end of it and asked to explain. She will be deeply hurt, but will not end the relationship.


==Romance mechanics==
==Romance Mechanics==
This section contains information regarding the unique in-game mechanics and interactions for Karlachs's romance.
This section contains information regarding the unique in-game mechanics and interactions for Karlachs's romance.
===Relationship stages===
===Relationship Stages===
Like the other major romance options in the game, Karlachs's relationship progression can be divided into specific stages: friendly, flirting, partnered, and ex-partnered:
Like the other major romance options in the game, Karlachs's relationship progression can be divided into specific stages: friendly, flirting, partnered, and ex-partnered:
# '''Friendly:''' The friendly stage begins at medium approval, and is the default stage for non-romanced companions.
# '''Friendly:''' The friendly stage begins at medium approval, and is the default stage for non-romanced companions.
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# '''Partnered:''' In Act 2 with high enough approval, if the player character is not in the partnered stage with any other companion and her Infernal Engine is repaired, they are able to partner with Karlach. This stage comes with unique party/camp interactions.
# '''Partnered:''' In Act 2 with high enough approval, if the player character is not in the partnered stage with any other companion and her Infernal Engine is repaired, they are able to partner with Karlach. This stage comes with unique party/camp interactions.
# '''Ex-Partnered:''' Once partnered with Karlach, the player character can break up with her anytime by selecting the appropriate dialogue option.
# '''Ex-Partnered:''' Once partnered with Karlach, the player character can break up with her anytime by selecting the appropriate dialogue option.
===Unique dialogue===
===Unique Dialogue===
====Greetings====
====Greetings====
Player characters who romance Karlach will hear unique greetings dependent on the stage of the romance and approval/game progression:
Player characters who romance Karlach will hear unique greetings dependent on the stage of the romance and approval/game progression:
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If broken up with (ex-partnered), Karlach's greetings return to her regular, friendly greetings.
If broken up with (ex-partnered), Karlach's greetings return to her regular, friendly greetings.


==== Party/camp interactions====
==== Party/camp Interactions====
While in the partnered stage (following her relationship progression scene in Act 2), Karlach will have the following unique dialogue options that are always available when interacting with her both in camp and while she's in the party, which can be instigated by selecting "About our relationship...":
While in the partnered stage (following her relationship progression scene in Act 2), Karlach will have the following unique dialogue options that are always available when interacting with her both in camp and while she's in the party, which can be instigated by selecting "About our relationship...":
*The player character can inquire about Karlach's feelings regarding the relationship ("Are you happy with how things are between us?").
*The player character can inquire about Karlach's feelings regarding the relationship ("Are you happy with how things are between us?").
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==Origin==
==Origin==
While playing as the Karlach Origin, Karlach's personal story has a number of different effects on which specific romantic interactions are available at different parts of the game. A list of ''known'' effects on other romance storylines is contained below, but may be incomplete.
Like her Companion counterpart, Origin Karlach's infernal engine presents a challenge to pursuing romance, and her [[Forging a Heart|personal story progression]] affects when and if specific romantic interactions are available with different characters. An incomplete list is below:


===Act One===
===Astarion===
[[Astarion]]'s scene where he usually initiates sex has unique dialogue when playing as Karlach; he will become frustrated and confused that he can't touch Karlach, and it is possible to suggest to just lay near each other instead, which is a novel concept for him. Karlach still appears naked in the morning.
Karlach is the only player character who can progress [[Astarion|Astarion's]] romance without having sex. In his Act One romance scene, instead of initiating sex, Astarion will become frustrated and confused that he can't touch Karlach. It is possible to suggest they just lay near each other and talk instead, which is a novel concept for him. Karlach still appears naked in the morning.


Prior to Hotfix #16, Karlach was able to accept [[Lae'zel]]'s proposition. Lae'zel's sex scene proceeded as normal, as if Karlach were not literally too hot to touch. This was fixed in said hotfix, and origin Karlach can no longer initiate this scene.
Astarion’s Act Two romance scene doesn’t account for Karlach’s engine when pressuring him into sex, meaning the implied sex scene (and resulting break-up) will happen even if Karlach isn’t actually able to be touched.


If Astarion ascends, he will inevitably break up with Karlach. If Karlach accepts his proposal to “fix her” and become his spawn, he is unsuccessful in turning her—he will catch on fire after drinking her blood, whether or not her engine is repaired. Enraged, he breaks up with her. This situation leads to a unique post-break-up dialogue where Astarion accuses her of “rejecting him with her whole body” and concludes she is “doomed”.
However, it is still possible for a romanced Ascended Astarion to accompany Karlach to Avernus. Defeating the final boss after ascension but before long resting will preserve their relationship and its romance wrap-up scene, where Astarion will demand she return to Avernus to live and offers to go with her. Accepting his offer proceeds to Karlach’s Avernus ending as normal. Epilogue dialogue implies they are still a couple and, like other Avernus partners, are searching for a way to fix Karlach’s engine.
===Wyll===
Karlach is not prevented from romancing [[Wyll]], and pursuing this option does have a handful of unique lines acknowledging Wyll's prior objective of hunting Karlach down.
Karlach is not prevented from romancing [[Wyll]], and pursuing this option does have a handful of unique lines acknowledging Wyll's prior objective of hunting Karlach down.


[[Dammon]]'s interactions with an Origin Karlach character seem to be generally more flirtatious than when talking to other characters.
Even if Karlach’s engine is not repaired, Wyll insists on dancing with her in his Act Two romance scene. If Karlach protests, Wyll claims he won’t be burnt as long as her emotions are kept under control. (Karlach can even choose to do “a calm twirl” when dancing.) Karlach will be unable to kiss Wyll after their dance; despite his subdued reaction to this, however, he will still become partnered to her afterward.
 
Wyll heavily encourages Karlach to return to Avernus in their romance wrap-up scene and will go with her, whether it’s to ensure she survives or, if he broke his pact, as part of hunting down [[Mizora]]. If Wyll becomes Grand Duke, his commitments to Baldur’s Gate render him unable to join her, and their relationship becomes long distance if she goes to Avernus alone.
 
===Lae'zel===
Prior to [https://baldursgate3.game/news/hotfix-16-now-live_106 Hotfix #16], Karlach was able to accept [[Lae'zel|Lae'zel's]] camp party proposition. Lae'zel's sex scene proceeded as normal, as if Karlach were not literally too hot to touch. The camp party dialogue now properly addresses her engine and Lae’zel complains that she’ll have to find relief elsewhere.
 
===Halsin===
[[Halsin]] will not go to Avernus with Karlach, and Karlach will not go to Avernus without him—leaving her death as her only option.
 
===Minthara===
Karlach is not given the option to sleep with [[Minthara]] following the [[Raid the Emerald Grove|raid on the Emerald Grove]].
 
===Dammon===
[[Dammon]] is necessary to complete [[Forging a Heart]], allowing Karlach to fully engage in romancing her companions. His dialogue is more flirtatious when speaking to Origin Karlach. When obtaining the second engine upgrade, Karlach can even (internally) comment on this with ''<nowiki/>'Pause. Is he flirting with you?'.''
 
Karlach can [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxfI8lbBLRA fantasize about kissing Dammon] as an alternative to her threesome fantasy during a long rest alone on the [[Ravaged Beach]], although this is not possible in normal gameplay as this scene becomes unavailable after entering the [[Emerald Grove]].
 
Finding Dammon in Act Three after having already received both engine upgrades has him lamenting his inability to stabilize her engine. He remarks that there is something he would’ve liked to do “in another life”, but doesn’t finish the thought.


After the celebration in camp with the goblins following the [[Raid the Emerald Grove|raid]] on the [[Emerald Grove]], Karlach mentions her condition to [[Minthara]] and refuses her offer for sex, which is met with disappointment. Afterwards, Minthara will attempt to kill Karlach in her sleep but will be caught and conversed with, which can lead to an invitation to [[Moonrise Towers]].
===Mizora===
Despite her hatred of all things [[Zariel]], Karlach can accept [[Mizora|Mizora’s]] proposal for sex—unhappily so, especially if you choose to ''<nowiki/>'Smile the rictus grin of the damned.''' when accepting. As Mizora is a cambion, she is an available sex partner for Karlach even if she has not repaired her engine. (She may say only she can bear the “fire of Avernus” within Karlach.) In their sex scene, Karlach has more demanding dialogue choices available to her. If she backs out at any time, Mizora is disappointed, saying she had hoped Karlach was ready to come home.


===Act Two===
===Haarlep===
After delivering a second piece of Infernal Iron to [[Dammon]] at the Last Light Inn, Origin Karlach is given additional unique options for how to respond. In addition to simply saying "Thank you", these are:
Like Mizora, [[Haarlep]] is of the Hells, and can be a sex partner for Karlach even when her engine is not fully upgraded.
*''Pause. Is he flirting with you?''
*''Take your leave - you have someone you really want to touch.''
Neither one of these options appear have ''immediate'' consequences, but after wrapping up conversations from this scene, Origin Karlach is able to fully engage in usual romantic interactions with other characters.
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