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| title = Orin the Red
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| description = Orin the Red is one of the Chosen of the Absolute and the leader of the Bhaalites in the city of Baldur's Gate.
| description = Orin the Red is one of the {{FRWiki|Chosen}} of the Absolute and the leader of the Bhaalites in the city of Baldur's Gate.
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== History ==
== History ==
===Bhaalite upbringing===
===Bhaalite upbringing===
Raised believing she was fathered by [[Bhaal]] himself, Orin was in truth born of an incestuous relationship between [[Sarevok Anchev]] and his daughter [[Helena Anchev]], intended to be the perfect offering to the Dread Lord.{{cite text|name=incest|A page from Sarevok's book|[[Sarevok Anchev]]}} Though he routinely mistreated and abused them, both Helena and Orin worshipped and loved Sarevok, enduring the hardships of growing up as a Bhaalite. Orin received the bloody teachings of Bhaal, becoming in time the youngest Unholy Assassin to follow the steps of god of Murder. Such was her gift in killing that she was anointed Bhaal's [[Chosen]].
Raised believing she was fathered by [[Bhaal]] himself, Orin was in truth born of an incestuous relationship between [[Sarevok Anchev]] and his daughter [[Helena Anchev]], intended to be the perfect offering to the Dread Lord.{{cite text|name=incest|A page from Sarevok's book|[[Sarevok Anchev]]}} Though he routinely mistreated and abused them, both Helena and Orin worshipped and loved Sarevok, enduring the hardships of growing up as a Bhaalite. Orin received the bloody teachings of Bhaal, becoming in time the youngest Unholy Assassin to follow the steps of god of Murder. Such was her gift in killing that she was anointed Bhaal's Chosen.


When Orin was still a child, Sarevok, knowing Helena desired to be Bhaal's Chosen, ordered his daughter to kill Orin as an offering to Bhaal.{{ref|[[Bhaal_Temple#The Chosen's Room|Orin's Chambers]], lines spoken by Helena Anchev when asked how she died.<br>''"I... wanted... to be... Bhaal's... Chosen... Sarevok... told me... she... must be... my... offering..."''}} Helena attacked Orin but she was overcome by her child who ultimately cut her down. Bhaal deemed the young changeling exceptional, and ordered Sarevok to look after her henceforth.{{ref|[[Murder Tribunal]], lines spoken by Sarevok Anchev when discussing Orin.<br>''"Orin's gifts surpassed even her mother's. (...) When Orin was but seven years old, she tried to smother the child as an offering to our Lord. (...) It was her mother's blood that soaked the sheets. Orin had cut off the very hand that tried to end her. (...) This was Orin's tribunal. She was judged, and she was found ''exceptional''. My Lord made his choice - I abided by his words."''}}{{cite text|name=incest}}
When Orin was still a child, Sarevok, knowing Helena desired to be Bhaal's Chosen, ordered his daughter to kill Orin as an offering to Bhaal.{{ref|[[Bhaal_Temple#The Chosen's Room|Orin's Chambers]], lines spoken by Helena Anchev when asked how she died.<br>''"I... wanted... to be... Bhaal's... Chosen... Sarevok... told me... she... must be... my... offering..."''}} Helena attacked Orin but she was overcome by her child who ultimately cut her down. Bhaal deemed the young changeling exceptional, and ordered Sarevok to look after her henceforth.{{ref|[[Murder Tribunal]], lines spoken by Sarevok Anchev when discussing Orin.<br>''"Orin's gifts surpassed even her mother's. (...) When Orin was but seven years old, she tried to smother the child as an offering to our Lord. (...) It was her mother's blood that soaked the sheets. Orin had cut off the very hand that tried to end her. (...) This was Orin's tribunal. She was judged, and she was found ''exceptional''. My Lord made his choice - I abided by his words."''}}{{cite text|name=incest}}
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It was during this time that Orin saw her opportunity and struck, driving a dagger through the Urge's skull and planting an [[Illithid]] tadpole in them.{{ref|name=morphic|[[Morphic Pool]], lines spoken by the Netherbrain when confronted by the Dark Urge and their companions.<br>"''You placed the Crown upon me in the depths of Moonrise Towers, and there I was born. (...) Your plan was devious, your cruelty unparalleled. I would have followed it, were your mind not destroyed by your sister."''}}{{cite text|Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda|Enver Gortash}} With her former rival left to die and a tadpole devouring their brain, Orin took the Urge's place as Bhaal's Chosen and third member of the conspirators.{{cite text|Elder Brain Domination|[[Ketheric Thorm]]}} Orin would prove undisciplined in her role, however, as her bloodlust could not be contained, and rapidly grew to be disliked by the other two who saw her as little more than a necessary nuisance to their plan.{{cite text|Journal of Enver Gortash|Enver Gortash}} At some point between the betrayal and the events of the game, Ketheric and Orin tricked [[Minthara]] into a trap where she murdered her allies and captured her. She then used a tadpole to convert [[Minthara]] into a [[True Soul]].
It was during this time that Orin saw her opportunity and struck, driving a dagger through the Urge's skull and planting an [[Illithid]] tadpole in them.{{ref|name=morphic|[[Morphic Pool]], lines spoken by the Netherbrain when confronted by the Dark Urge and their companions.<br>"''You placed the Crown upon me in the depths of Moonrise Towers, and there I was born. (...) Your plan was devious, your cruelty unparalleled. I would have followed it, were your mind not destroyed by your sister."''}}{{cite text|Memoir Notes with Recent Addenda|Enver Gortash}} With her former rival left to die and a tadpole devouring their brain, Orin took the Urge's place as Bhaal's Chosen and third member of the conspirators.{{cite text|Elder Brain Domination|[[Ketheric Thorm]]}} Orin would prove undisciplined in her role, however, as her bloodlust could not be contained, and rapidly grew to be disliked by the other two who saw her as little more than a necessary nuisance to their plan.{{cite text|Journal of Enver Gortash|Enver Gortash}} At some point between the betrayal and the events of the game, Ketheric and Orin tricked [[Minthara]] into a trap where she murdered her allies and captured her. She then used a tadpole to convert [[Minthara]] into a [[True Soul]].


If the Urge was not chosen as the player character, [[Fallen Bhaalspawn|their corpse]] will be found in Orin's chamber during Act 3, tortured to death by their sister.{{note|This corpse uses the [[Dragonborn#White_Dragonborn|White Dragonborn]] form for [[The Dark Urge (origin)|the Dark Urge]], as seen as the in-game default choice for the [[Origin]] and in promotional footage for it.}}
If the Dark Urge was not chosen as the player character, their corpse will be found in Orin's chamber during Act 3, tortured to death by their sister.{{note|This corpse uses the [[Dragonborn#White_Dragonborn|White Dragonborn]] form for [[The Dark Urge (origin)|the Dark Urge]], as seen as the in-game default choice for the [[Origin]] and in promotional footage for it.}}


If picked as a player character, they are found by [[Kressa Bonedaughter]] instead, saved from death and held captive in the [[Mind Flayer Colony]] for some time as she experiments on them,{{cite text|Clasped Book (Moonrise Towers)|[[Balthazar]]}} until they are shipped away on the [[Nautiloid]] during the [[Prologue]].{{cite text|Journal of Magthew Budj|[[Maghtew Budj]]}}
If picked as a player character, they are found by [[Kressa Bonedaughter]] instead, saved from death and held captive in the [[Mind Flayer Colony]] for some time as she experiments on them,{{cite text|Clasped Book (Moonrise Towers)|[[Balthazar]]}} until they are shipped away on the [[Nautiloid]] during the [[Prologue]].{{cite text|Journal of Magthew Budj|[[Maghtew Budj]]}}
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== Involvement ==
== Involvement ==
=== Act One ===
=== Act One ===
Though Orin is not present in the first act of the game, her involvement in the plot is alluded to when the [[Absolute]] attempts to take over the party's mind and they see a vision of her [[Chosen]] shortly before being repelled by the [[Mysterious Artefact]].
Though Orin is not present in the first act of the game, her involvement in the plot is alluded to when the [[Absolute]] attempts to take over the party's mind and they see a vision of her Chosen shortly before being repelled by the [[Mysterious Artefact]]. The player can also see a vision of her manipulating an enthralled [[Minthara]] when first meeting the latter in the [[Shattered Sanctum]].


=== Act Two ===
=== Act Two ===
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In order to get Orin's netherstone, the group will need to visit the [[Murder Tribunal]] in the [[Undercity Ruins]] as the [[Temple of Bhaal]] is open only to those deemed worthy by Bhaal. At the tribunal, the party is welcomed by a familiar face, [[Sarevok Anchev]]. Sarevok will reveal how the Bhaalists survived the events of years prior, as well as his connection to Orin as her grandfather. If confronted by The Dark Urge, he further elaborates on Orin's involvement in their fall from Bhaal's grace, excited at the prospect of a Bhaalspawn duel in the ranks of the cult. He will require offer passage to the Temple of Bhaal if the party proves to be worthy by becoming an [[Cult of Bhaal#Unholy Assassins|Unholy Assassin]], which requires impressing the tribunal with a killing prior and then the sacrifice of a celestial being. Alternatively, the party can simply decide to fight Sarevok, a prospect he welcomes eagerly. Either given as a worthy Bhaalite or looted from Sarevok's corpse, with the [[Amulet of Bhaal]] in hand, the party can finally confront Orin.
In order to get Orin's netherstone, the group will need to visit the [[Murder Tribunal]] in the [[Undercity Ruins]] as the [[Temple of Bhaal]] is open only to those deemed worthy by Bhaal. At the tribunal, the party is welcomed by a familiar face, [[Sarevok Anchev]]. Sarevok will reveal how the Bhaalists survived the events of years prior, as well as his connection to Orin as her grandfather. If confronted by The Dark Urge, he further elaborates on Orin's involvement in their fall from Bhaal's grace, excited at the prospect of a Bhaalspawn duel in the ranks of the cult. He will require offer passage to the Temple of Bhaal if the party proves to be worthy by becoming an [[Cult of Bhaal#Unholy Assassins|Unholy Assassin]], which requires impressing the tribunal with a killing prior and then the sacrifice of a celestial being. Alternatively, the party can simply decide to fight Sarevok, a prospect he welcomes eagerly. Either given as a worthy Bhaalite or looted from Sarevok's corpse, with the [[Amulet of Bhaal]] in hand, the party can finally confront Orin.


Orin will be found at the Altar of Bhaal, deep within the temple. There, she will be toying with her kidnapping victim surrounded by Bhaalist cultists. When approached, Orin will threaten to kill her hostage, though she can be convinced otherwise through dialogue. The Dark Urge can persuade her to duel them as is bhaalist tradition, to which she will eagerly agree. Alternatively, she can be informed of Sarevok's treachery and lies by disclosing that he is actually both her grandfather ''and'' father, Orin being born out of the incestuous relationship with her mother. Unable to cope with the truth, she reels as Bhaal commands her to fight. Regardless of the outcome of the conversation, Orin will attack in her [[Slayer]] form.
Orin will be found at the Altar of Bhaal, deep within the temple. There, she will be toying with her kidnapping victim surrounded by Bhaalist cultists. When approached, Orin will threaten to kill her hostage, though she can be convinced otherwise through dialogue. The Dark Urge can persuade her to duel them as is bhaalist tradition, to which she will eagerly agree.  


Once defeated, the party is able too loot her corpse and find her netherstone.
Alternatively, if the player used {{SAI|Speak with Dead}} on [[Helena Anchev|Helena Anchev's]] corpse they can discover that she betrayed Orin on [[Sarevok|Sarevok's]] orders. Revealing this to Orin causes her to completely lose focus on killing her kidnapping victim. If the player then chooses dialogue options without ability checks, Orin will become enraged and call on Bhaal's power to transform into the [[Slayer]]. However, the player can also choose to taunt her further by succeeding a {{Ability Check|Deception|25}}, {{Ability Check|Persuasion|25}}, or {{Ability Check|Religion|25}}, which cause Orin to completely break down since she is unable to cope with the truth. [[Bhaal]] will then speak to her through the giant skull in the back of the room, commanding her to fight and unnaturally twisting her body to force her into the Slayer form. Regardless of the outcome of the conversation, Orin will attack when it concludes.
 
Once defeated, the party is able too loot her corpse and find {{MdRarityItem|Orin's Netherstone}}.


== Orin's shapeshifting ==
== Orin's shapeshifting ==

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