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→‎Example Calculation: Updated to account for Patch 5 changing Tavern Brawler to a DR
(→‎Damage Sources (DS) vs. Damage Riders (DR): Rewrite for clarity and a little more brevity)
(→‎Example Calculation: Updated to account for Patch 5 changing Tavern Brawler to a DR)
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===Example Calculation===
===Example Calculation===
A character with 18 Strength, the [[Tavern Brawler]] Feat, {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, and the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}} uses the {{SmItemIcon|Returning Pike}} to make a thrown weapon attack against a target which is affected by {{SAI|Hex}}.
A character with 20 Strength, the [[Tavern Brawler]] Feat, {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, and the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}} uses the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} to make a thrown weapon attack against a target which is affected by {{SAI|Hex}}.


'''Damage Sources (DS):'''
'''Damage Sources (DS):'''


*Thrown weapon attack using the {{SmItemIcon|Returning Pike}} applies 1d10 (damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 4 (Strength modifier) piercing damage
*Thrown weapon attack using the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} applies 1d6 (damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 5 (Strength modifier) piercing damage


'''Damage Riders (DR):'''
'''Damage Riders (DR):'''
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*The {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}} adds 1d4 damage which is of the same type as the weapon used (piercing in this example) to each damage source.
*The {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}} adds 1d4 damage which is of the same type as the weapon used (piercing in this example) to each damage source.
*{{SAI|Hex}} adds 1d6 necrotic damage to each damage source.
*{{SAI|Hex}} adds 1d6 necrotic damage to each damage source.
*[[Tavern Brawler]] adds the character's Strength modifier to thrown weapon attacks an additional time


'''Damage Riders treated as Damage Sources (DRS):'''
'''Damage Riders treated as Damage Sources (DRS):'''


*The [[Tavern Brawler]] feat allows characters to add their Strength modifier an additional time to damage rolls when using unarmed strikes, improvised weapons, or thrown weapons. When applied to melee attacks this damage bonus is treated as a damage rider. But as of [[Patch Notes|Patch 3]] with thrown weapons, this +4 piercing damage from the character's strength score being applied a second time due to the tavern brawler feat being treated as a damage source.
*The additional 1d4 damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} is a damage rider treated as a damage source. This means it will cause all of the Damage Riders listed above to activate a second time.




'''Calculating total damage:'''
'''Calculating total damage:'''


To determine the total damage applied take each DS and DRS. Then apply the damage riders onto each of these. In this example that means one should evaluate the pike damage source plus all damage riders, followed by the Tavern Brawler damage source and all damage riders applied again.  
To determine the total damage applied take each DS and DRS. Then apply the damage riders onto each of these. In this example that means one should evaluate the normal damage source of throwing a spear plus all damage riders, followed by the additional lightning damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} with all damage riders applied again.  


[[Tavern Brawler]] on thrown weapon attacks is a '''DRS''', meaning the damage roll in the above scenario would on average yield 28.5 total damage (ignoring resistances) calculated as follows:
Treating the bonus lighting damage from throwing the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} as ''DRS''' means the damage roll in the above scenario would on average yield 36 total damage (ignoring resistances) calculated as follows:


*{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d10|Piercing}} 1d10 (5.5 avg) (weapon damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 4 (Strength modifier) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} from the {{SmItemIcon|Returning Pike}} thrown weapon attack, [DS]
*{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Piercing}} 1d6 (3.5 avg) (weapon damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 5 (Strength modifier) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} from the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} thrown weapon attack, [DS]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Piercing}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Piercing}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+5 {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} damage from [[Tavern Brawler]] on a character with 20 Strength, [DR]


*{{InfoBlob|+4 {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} from [[Tavern Brawler]], [DRS]
*{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Lightning}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Lightning}}}} damage}} from the bonus effect of throwing the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}}, [DRS]
**{{InfoBlob|+1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}} being applied to Tavern Brawler damage source, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Piercing}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}} being applied to Tavern Brawler damage source, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}} being applied to Tavern Brawler damage source [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}}, [DR]
As a ''hypothetical'' scenario to show the impact that this minor detail can have, instead imagine [[Tavern Brawler]] were to be treated as a DR in the above scenairo. In this ''hypothetical'' scenario the above damage roll would yield 21.5 total damage on average (ignoring resistances) calculated as follows:
**{{InfoBlob|+5 {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} damage from [[Tavern Brawler]] on a character with 20 Strength, [DR]


*{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d10|Piercing}} 1d10 (5.5 avg) (weapon damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 4 (Strength modifier) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} from the {{SmItemIcon|Returning Pike}} thrown weapon attack, [DS]
As a ''hypothetical'' scenario to show the impact that this minor detail can have, instead imagine the bonus lighting damage from throwing the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} is treated as a DR in the above scenario. In this ''hypothetical'' scenario the above damage roll would yield 24 total damage on average (ignoring resistances) calculated as follows:
 
*{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Piercing}} 1d6 (3.5 avg) (weapon damage die) + 1 (weapon enchantment) + 5 (Strength modifier) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} from the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} thrown weapon attack, [DS]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Piercing}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Piercing}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Piercing}}}} damage from the {{SmItemIcon|Ring of Flinging}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+1 {{DamageType|Lightning}} damage}} from {{SAI|Lightning Charges (Condition)}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d6|Necrotic}} +1d6 (3.5 avg) {{DamageType|Necrotic}}}} damage from {{SAI|Hex}}, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|+4 {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} from [[Tavern Brawler]], [If Tavern Brawler were to ''hypothetically'' be treated as a DR with thrown weapon attacks]
**{{InfoBlob|+5 {{DamageType|Piercing}} damage}} damage from [[Tavern Brawler]] on a character with 20 Strength, [DR]
**{{InfoBlob|{{DieIcon|d4|Lightning}} +1d4 (2.5 avg) {{DamageType|Lightning}}}} damage}} from the bonus effect of throwing the {{SmItemIcon|Lightning Jabber}} in the *"hypothetical" scenario where it is treated as a traditional damage rider [DR]
 
This is a simple example to demonstrate the underlying principles. By mixing and matching multiple DR and DRS effects it is possible to deal hundreds (and in extreme cases with proper conditions over 1,000) points of damage with a single attack.


==DRS effects==
==DRS effects==
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