Orin/Combat: Difference between revisions

Prior to the fight, if the player uses {{SAI|Speak with Dead}} on [[Helena Anchev|Helena Anchev's]] corpse, which generally requires using the opening at the northeast end of the balcony in order to reach the Orin's bedroom before meeting Orin on the platform, they can discover that she betrayed Orin on [[Sarevok|Sarevok's]] orders. If you tell Orin this and then taunt her further by succeeding a {{Ability Check|Deception|25}}, {{Ability Check|Persuasion|25}}, or {{Ability Check|Religion|25}}, Orin will completely break down. [[Bhaal]] will then forcibly transform her into the Slayer Form, and give her the unique buff {{cond|A Mist Most Scarlet}}.

In Honour mode, she will have {{SAI|Legendary Action: Sanguine Lash}} in her slayer form, allowing her to use {{SAI|Sanguine Lash}} as a reaction once per round, which she applies only against foes who use melee attacks against her. She will also have [[Legendary Resistance: Incapacitation (Condition)|Legendary Resistance]] against being incapacitated. The [[Boon of Bhaal]] gains a legendary action [[Bhaal's Edict]] - if Orin did not use her Sanguine Lash this turn (i.e. party and allies made no melee attacks against her), the [[Boon of Bhaal]] will force [[Bhaal's Edict]] upon one of your party members. If that party member is unable to kill another creature, they will die upon ending their turn.

This fight principally revolves around reducing Orin's many stacks of {{cond|Unstoppable}}. To accomplish this there are two main strategies:  

# By dealing enough separate instances of damage to burn through them all each turn and then applying substantial damage with subsequent attacks on the same turn. The easiest way to remove {{cond|Unstoppable}} is to use spells with many instances of damage such as {{SAI|Magic Missile}} or {{SAI|Scorching Ray}}. Magic Missile is particularly effective since it is guaranteed to hit and doesn't require a clear line of sight. Note that quirks of the initiative order can make accomplishing this more difficult than expected, e.g. if your Magic Missile caster goes last and your high damage party members go first. Thus you may want to go into this battle with flexible strategies, although the likelihood of initiative problems can be reduced by preparing with e.g. [[Elixir of Vigilance]].

# By stopping all the Reapers of Bhaal from chanting, which stops her from refreshing her stacks each turn. The Reapers of Bhaal can't be directly targeted due to {{cond|Sanctuary}} but can be killed with area-of-effect weapons and spells (e.g. [[Smokepowder Arrow]]s, {{SAI|Fireball}}, {{SAI|Ice Storm}}) or disrupted from chanting with conditions such as {{cond|Prone}}, {{cond|Silenced}}, {{cond|Hypnotised}}, {{cond|Fearful}}, or {{cond|Stunned}}. They can also be knocked off the platform with e.g. {{RarityItem|Arrow of Roaring Thunder}}, [[Smokepowder Arrow]]s, and spells like {{SAI|Thunderwave}}. Once all of the Reapers have been eliminated, Orin will no longer be able to refresh her stacks of {{cond|Unstoppable}}, and any remaining ones can be removed through conventional attacks.

Alternatively, on lower difficulty levels the fight can be "cheesed" by knocking Orin off of the platform to instantly kill her.  

WARNING: When playing on '''Honour Mode''' be aware that Orin's Sanguine Lash can knock back multiple party members, and if they are near the edge of the abyss this can lead to death.  

* Despite its description, {{SAI|Sanguine Animation}} will consume corpses rather than blood surfaces in order to create [[Bloodmarrow Skeleton]]s. Knocking enemies off the platform will leave less corpses for Orin to consume.