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The {{SmRarityItem|Map to Bhaal Temple}} and {{SmRarityItem|Amulet of Bhaal}}, which are needed to enter the Temple of Bhaal, can be acquired either as a reward from becoming an Unholy Assassin of Bhaal or looted from {{CharLink|Sarevok Anchev}}.
The {{SmRarityItem|Map to Bhaal Temple}} and {{SmRarityItem|Amulet of Bhaal}}, which are needed to enter the Temple of Bhaal, can be acquired either as a reward from becoming an Unholy Assassin of Bhaal or looted from {{CharLink|Sarevok Anchev}}.


=== The Temple of Bhaal ===
A [[Wooden Desk]] at {{coords|-1239|531}} contains {{SmRarityItem|A page from Sarevok's book}}, which if read reveals that Sarevok fathered Orin with his daughter Helena. This adds dialogue with Orin and her mother in the Temple of Bhaal.
 
===The Temple of Bhaal===
[[File:The Temple of Bhaal Quest Map.jpg|thumb|Map of the Temple of Bhaal.]]
[[File:The Temple of Bhaal Quest Map.jpg|thumb|Map of the Temple of Bhaal.]]
[[File:Hanging Corpse Undercity Ruins Quest.jpg|thumb|The hanging corpses in the Undercity Ruins.]]
[[File:Hanging Corpse Undercity Ruins Quest.jpg|thumb|The hanging corpses in the Undercity Ruins.]]
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Once the door to the Temple is reached {{Coords|2|1006}}, the Amulet of Bhaal is necessary. The party must place the amulet against the door to gain entry. Orin can be found deep into the Temple.
Once the door to the Temple is reached {{Coords|2|1006}}, the Amulet of Bhaal is necessary. The party must place the amulet against the door to gain entry. Orin can be found deep into the Temple.


=== Confronting Orin ===
=== The Chosen’s Room===
Orin's victim is shackled to an altar, which Orin has the key to. Orin welcomes the party, aware of if they became an unholy assassin or not. She also holds a dagger to the victim, threatening to kill them.
The Chosen's Room {{Coords|96|991}}, which is down the stairs behind Orin (opposite the Temple’s entrance), contains the corpse of Orin’s mother [[Helena Anchev]]. If {{SAI|Speak with Dead}} is used on Helena's corpse, additional dialogue check options can be made available when confronting Orin at the altar.


* {{Dialogue option|Like the salvation your mother offered? She attacked you on Sarevok's orders. (conditional)}}
To accomplish this, either of the “Who -” questions must be asked, followed by “Why did you try to kill your own daughter?” and then “Did Orin know that Sarevok ordered you to kill her?”
* {{Dialogue option|Like your mother's punishment? She attacked you on Sarevok's orders. Your ''father's'' orders... (conditional)}}
 
* {{Dialogue option|Gortash is dead. I left him rotting on the roof of his fortress.|roll=Deception|dc=25}}
Passing these new checks cause a conflict in Orin, resulting in her Slayer transformation being forced by Bhaal instead of her choosing to activate it.
* {{Dialogue option|I did what you asked. I killed Gortash, so let him/her go.|roll=Persuasion|dc=25|advantage=y}}
 
===Confronting Orin===
Orin's victim is shackled to an altar, which Orin holds the key to. Orin welcomes the party, aware of if they became an unholy assassin or not. She also holds a dagger to the victim, threatening to kill them.
 
*{{Dialogue option|Like the salvation your mother offered? She attacked you on Sarevok's orders. Your ''father's'' orders...}} ''(if spoken to Helena)''
**{{Dialogue option|You're pathetic. No wonder he tricked you so easily.}}
**{{Dialogue option|Sarevok told me the truth himself. He was ''laughing'' at you.|roll=Deception|dc=25}}
**{{Dialogue option|Sarevok's your ''father'', Orin. He abused your mother. He abused you.|roll=Persuasion|dc=25}}
**{{Dialogue option|Bhaal rejoices in such cruel betrayals. You really believed you were the exception?|roll=Religion|dc=25}}
**{{Dialogue option|I'm not the one who needs saving.}}
*{{Dialogue option|Gortash is dead. I left him rotting on the roof of his fortress.|roll=Deception|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|Anything you do to him/her, I will inflict on you a hundredfold.|roll=Intimidation|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|Anything you do to him/her, I will inflict on you a hundredfold.|roll=Intimidation|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|You said Bhaal wanted us to fight. He will reject this offering.|tags=Cleric of Bhaal|roll=persuasion|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|You said Bhaal wanted us to fight. He will reject this offering.|tags=Cleric of Bhaal|roll=persuasion|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|His/Her fate is of no interest to me.}}
* {{Dialogue option|I did what you asked. I killed Gortash, so let him/her go.|roll=Persuasion|dc=25|advantage=y}} ''(if Gortash defeated)''
 
* {{Dialogue option|Their fate is of no interest to me.}}
If the check is passed, Orin ignores the victim and faces the party, along with several unholy assassins. A [[Dark Urge]] character does not have to pass a check to save the kidnapped victim, as Orin's personal history with the character makes it easy to grab her attention away from the victim. However, the Dark Urge is expected to duel Orin one-on-one, without involving the rest of the party or Orin's allies.


Orin transforms into her Slayer form, a level 12 monstrosity. The chains to the victim can be lockpicked, freeing them and allowing them to fight alongside the party. Otherwise, the victim thanks the party once they are freed and returns to camp.
If any check is failed or a non-check option is chosen, Orin will kill the victim in the alter and then transform into her Slayer form (a level 12 monstrosity) and initiate combat.


Once the battle is completed, Orin is reduced to a skeleton, and her Netherstone is automatically removed from her dagger.
If any check is passed, Orin still transforms and initiates combat, but ignores the living victim and faces the party. The alter can be lockpicked during combat with a {{Ability check|Sleight of Hand|25}}, freeing the victim and allowing them to fight alongside the party. Otherwise, the victim can be freed by looting the {{SmRarityItem|Altar Key}} from Orin remains; after which they thank the party and return to camp.


If using {{SAI|Speak with Dead}} on Helena's corpse in Orin's chambers and discovering the truth of Sarevok's involvement in the matricide, then there will be the dialogue option, "Like the salvation your mother offered? She attacked you on Sarevok's orders." This opens an additional dialogue tree.
See [[Orin/Combat]] for details and strategy regarding this fight.


* {{Dialogue option|You're pathetic. No wonder he tricked you so easily.}}
Once the battle is completed, Orin is reduced to a lootable ‘gore pile’ and a cutscene shows the player retrieving her dagger with the {{SmRarityItem|Orin's Netherstone}} in it.
* {{Dialogue option|Sarevok told me the truth himself. He was ''laughing'' at you.|roll=Deception|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|Sarevok's your ''father'', Orin. He abused your mother. He abused you.|roll=Persuasion|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|Bhaal rejoices in such cruel betrayals. You really believed you were the exception?|roll=Religion|dc=25}}
* {{Dialogue option|I'm not the one who needs saving.}}


Passing these checks cause a conflict in Orin, resulting in her Slayer transformation being forced by Bhaal.
Note: A [[Dark Urge]] character does not have to pass a check to save the kidnapped victim. However, the Dark Urge is expected to duel Orin one-on-one, without involving the rest of the party or Orin's allies.


== Quest Rewards ==
== Quest Rewards ==
* {{MdRarityItem|Crimson Mischief}}
*{{MdRarityItem|Crimson Mischief}}
* {{MdRarityItem|Mutilated Carapace}}
*{{MdRarityItem|Mutilated Carapace}}
* {{MdRarityItem|Bloodthirst|alias=Netherstone-Pommelled Bloodthirst}} – separates on pick-up into:
* {{MdRarityItem|Bloodthirst|alias=Netherstone-Pommelled Bloodthirst}} – separates on pick-up into:
** {{MdRarityItem|Bloodthirst}}
**{{MdRarityItem|Bloodthirst}}
** {{MdRarityItem|Orin's Netherstone}}
**{{MdRarityItem|Orin's Netherstone}}
* {{MdRarityItem|Ring of Murderous Opportunity}}
*{{MdRarityItem|Ring of Murderous Opportunity}}


== Achievements ==
==Achievements==
{{Achievement|First Blood}}
{{Achievement|First Blood}}


== Notes ==
==Notes==
* This quest is not time sensitive, so long as the party does not attempt to infiltrate the Temple of Bhaal. Orin is happy to wait for the party to murder Gortash in the meantime.
*This quest is not time sensitive, so long as the party does not attempt to infiltrate the Temple of Bhaal. Orin is happy to wait for the party to murder Gortash in the meantime.
* If an origin other than the [[Dark Urge]] is chosen, then the body of the Dark Urge can be found in Orin's bedroom.
*If an origin other than the [[Dark Urge]] is chosen, then the body of the Dark Urge can be found in Orin's bedroom.
*The line added by speaking with Helena reads “Like your mother's punishment?” if Gortash has been defeated, and  “Your ''father’s'' orders…” is only added to the end of it if the note in the Murder Tribunal was read.


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