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==Objectives==
==Objectives==


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* The corpse of Brilgor mentioned that he and Father Lorgan were murdered in a hidden tunnel beneath the Open Hand Temple - we can access it through the temple crypt.
* The corpse of Brilgor mentioned that he and Father Lorgan were murdered in a hidden tunnel beneath the Open Hand Temple - we can access it through the temple crypt.
* Brother Donnick told us that Father Lorgan's corpse was found in the crypt underneath the temple kitchens. We could look there to find more information.
* Brother Donnick told us that Father Lorgan's corpse was found in the crypt underneath the temple kitchens. We could look there to find more information.
* The corpse of Father Lorgan mentioned that he and Brilgor were murdered in a hidden tunnel beneath the Open Hand Temple - we can access it through the temple crypt.
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== Walkthrough ==
== Walkthrough ==
=== Gather information ===
=== Gather information ===
Within the [[Open Hand Temple]], [[Sister Yannis]] is having a conversation with Investigator [[Valeria]] (X:-44, Y:-6). They are discussing the recent murder of [[Father Lorgan]], which Valeria is investigating. Valeria states that the case is closed, implicating a refugee, [[Brilgor]], as the culprit. Unsatisfied by this conclusion and feeling that the investigation is shoddy, Yannis asks the party if they are willing to investigate. Choosing "If you think the Investigator did a shoddy job, I can look into the murder for you." or "Let me help you - I'll look around, see if there's anything to prove Brilgor innocent." has the party agreeing to investigate the case. She gives the party free reign to investigate any area of the temple, should they agree. Gale also gains an inspiration point (Assistant to the Extra-Planar Agent) if he is in the party.
Within the Open Hand Temple, Sister Yannis is having a conversation with Investigator [[Valeria]] (X:-44, Y:-6). They are discussing the recent murder of [[Father Lorgan]], which Valeria is investigating. Valeria states that the case is closed, implicating a refugee, [[Brilgor]], as the culprit. Unsatisfied by this conclusion and feeling that the investigation is shoddy, Yannis asks the party if they are willing to investigate. Choosing "If you think the Investigator did a shoddy job, I can look into the murder for you." or "Let me help you - I'll look around, see if there's anything to prove Brilgor innocent." has the party agreeing to investigate the case. She gives the party free reign to investigate any area of the temple, should they agree. Gale also gains an inspiration point (Assistant to the Extra-Planar Agent) if he is in the party.


[[Sister Rose]] (X:-58, Y:-21) is within the same room as [[Father Lorgan]]'s corpse, which is still laying on a bed. If "I'm looking into Lorgan's death. I need to ask you some questions." is chosen, some answers can be acquired from Rose. Choosing "Who do you think killed Father Lorgan?" or "How did he die?" has Rose revealing that she found a paralytic poison on Lorgan's wounds and that his hand was sawed off to the bone.
[[Sister Rose]] (X:-58, Y:-21) is within the same room as Father Lorgan's corpse, which is still laying on a bed. If "I'm looking into Lorgan's death. I need to ask you some questions." is chosen, some answers can be acquired from Rose. Choosing "Who do you think killed Father Lorgan?" or "How did he die?" has Rose revealing that she found a paralytic poison on Lorgan's wounds and that his hand was sawed off to the bone.


[[Brother Donnick]] (X:-57, Y:11) is in the kitchen, and provides information on the location of Brilgor's corpse. He was buried out back, behind the temple (X:-106, Y:-19), and his casket can be dug up with a shovel.
[[Brother Donnick]] (X:-57, Y:11) is in the kitchen, and provides information on the location of Brilgor's corpse. He was buried out back, behind the temple (X:-106, Y:-19), and his casket can be dug up with a shovel.
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[[File:Lorgan Speak With Dead.jpg|thumb|Lorgan's corpse reveals answers about his murder.]]
[[File:Lorgan Speak With Dead.jpg|thumb|Lorgan's corpse reveals answers about his murder.]]
Lorgan's answers:
{{Dialogue start}}
* Who are you? ''Lorgan...Reverend...Open Hand...''
{{dcond|Questioning Lorgan using [[Speak With Dead]]:}}
* Who killed you? ''Dwarf...dressed in red...''
* {{dopt|'''Player:''' Who are you?}}
* Why did he kill you? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
** {{dopt| '''Lorgan:''' Lorgan...Reverend...Open Hand...}}
* What were you doing when you died? ''Hiding Brilgor...from Fists...''
* {{dopt|'''Player:''' Who killed you?}}
* Why were you hiding Brilgor? ''Must protect...innocents...Ilmater's will...''
** {{dopt| '''Lorgan:''' Dwarf...dressed in red...}}
* How did you die? ''A poisoned blade...paralysis...''
** {{dopt| '''Player:''' Why did he kill you?}}
* Where were you attacked? ''Tunnels from the cellar...refuge...''
*** {{dopt| *The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*}}
* {{dopt| '''Player:''' What were you doing when you died?}}
** {{dopt| '''Lorgan:''' Hiding Brilgor...from Fists...}}
*** {{dopt|'''Player:''' Why were you hiding Brilgor?}}
**** {{dopt|'''Lorgan:'''  Must protect...innocents...Ilmater's will...}}
*** {{dopt| Where did you hide him?}}
**** {{dopt|'''Lorgan:'''  Took him to tunnels... with the rest... fool... fool...}}
* {{dopt| '''Player:''' How did you die?}}
** {{dopt| '''Lorgan:''' A poisoned blade...paralysis...}}
* {{dopt| '''Player:''' Where were you attacked?}}
** {{dopt| '''Lorgan:''' Tunnels from the cellar...refuge...}}
** {{dact|end}}
{{Dialogue end}}


Brilgor's answers:
Brilgor's answers:
* Are you Brilgor? ''Yes...''
* Are you Brilgor? ''Yes...''
* Did you kill Father Lorgan? ''Never...He was...Kinder than most...''
*Did you kill Father Lorgan? ''Never...He was...Kinder than most...''
* Then who killed Lorgan? ''Dwarf...Red clothes...Stranger...''
*Then who killed Lorgan? ''Dwarf...Red clothes...Stranger...''
* How did you die? ''Pierced...Once...Paralysed...''
*How did you die? ''Pierced...Once...Paralysed...''
* Who killed you? ''Same...As killed...Lorgan...''
*Who killed you? ''Same...As killed...Lorgan...''
* Where did you die? ''Tunnels...Beneath temple...Hidden from sight...''
* Where did you die? ''Tunnels...Beneath temple...Hidden from sight...''
* How do I find these tunnels? ''Concealed buttons...Lorgan opened for me...''
*How do I find these tunnels? ''Concealed buttons...Lorgan opened for me...''
* Were you alone when you died? ''Father Lorgan...Helping me...''
* Were you alone when you died? ''Father Lorgan...Helping me...''
* Why was he helping you? ''Fists...After me...Needed to hide...''
* Why was he helping you? ''Fists...After me...Needed to hide...''


=== Find the Crime Scene ===
=== Find the Crime Scene===
[[File:Open Hand Hatch.jpg|thumb|Location of the hatch.]]
[[File:Open Hand Hatch.jpg|thumb|Location of the hatch.]]
The crime scene can be found via a hatch in the kitchen (X:-62, Y:3). There are pools of blood which can be followed to the exact location of the murders. However, the drops of blood abruptly stops in front of what appears to be a stone wall. There are two ways to get past this and into the secret tunnels beyond. The first is to go into the adjoining room to the south and jump over the cracks in the wall (X:16, Y:-1026). The 'proper' way to enter the tunnels is by locating the secret buttons in the crypt. These buttons are obscured by heraldry (X:17, Y:-1000) and  (X:18, Y:-1015) on the walls to the left and right of the stone wall.
The crime scene can be found via a hatch in the kitchen (X:-62, Y:3). There are pools of blood which can be followed to the exact location of the murders. However, the drops of blood abruptly stops in front of what appears to be a stone wall. There are two ways to get past this and into the secret tunnels beyond. The first is to go into the adjoining room to the south and jump over the cracks in the wall (X:16, Y:-1026). The 'proper' way to enter the tunnels is by locating the secret buttons in the crypt. These buttons are obscured by heraldry (X:17, Y:-1000) and  (X:18, Y:-1015) on the walls to the left and right of the stone wall.


[[File:Open Hand Heraldy.jpg|thumb|The heraldry hides buttons to the secret tunnel.]]
[[File:Open Hand Heraldy.jpg|thumb|The heraldry hides buttons to the secret tunnel.]]
Moving into the tunnels, the party encounters three dopplegangers: Zomm, Rudd, and Muzz. These dopplegangers instantly become hostile to the party. After killing them, Zomm's body holds a Field Report - Deathstalker Zumm, which reveals the name of the murderer, [[Dolor]]. His body also carries a [[Key with a flower motif]].
Moving into the tunnels, the party encounters three dopplegangers: Zomm, Rudd, and Muzz. These dopplegangers instantly become hostile to the party. After killing them, Muzz's body holds a Field Report - Deathstalker Zumm, which reveals the name of the murderer, [[Dolor]]. Zomm's body carries a [[Flowery Key|key with a flower motif]].


Zomm's body can be spoken to with Speak with Dead, revealing more information about Dolor:
Zomm's body can be spoken to with Speak with Dead, revealing more information about Dolor:
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* Did you kill Father Lorgan? ''No...Dolor did...Splendid...Kill...''
* Did you kill Father Lorgan? ''No...Dolor did...Splendid...Kill...''
* What were you doing here? ''Cleaning up...Dolor...Messy...Left his dagger...Careless...''
* What were you doing here? ''Cleaning up...Dolor...Messy...Left his dagger...Careless...''
* Who is Dolor? ''Our blood-red dwarf...Tricky...Hungry...''
*Who is Dolor? ''Our blood-red dwarf...Tricky...Hungry...''
* Where is Dolor now? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
*Where is Dolor now? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
* Who do you work for? ''We...We...*The corpse tries to speak but something prevents it.*''
*Is Dolor one of you? ''Yes... But wants... More...''
* How many more of you are there? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
*What does Dolor want? ''Transcendence...''
* Why did you want this dagger so much? ''Strong...Paralyses...'''
*Who do you work for? ''We...We...*The corpse tries to speak but something prevents it.*''
* I found this flowery key. What is it for? ''Flophouse...Dolor's secrets...''
*How many more of you are there? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
*Why did you want this dagger so much? ''Strong...Paralyses...'''
*I found this flowery key. What is it for? ''Flophouse...Dolor's secrets...''


[[File:Open Hand Stillmaker Hole.jpg|thumb|Location of the hole with the murder weapon.]]
[[File:Open Hand Stillmaker Hole.jpg|thumb|Location of the hole with the murder weapon.]]
Successfully identifying Dolor grants the [[Inspiration|Inspirational Event]] '''Truth Shines Through''' ([[Folk Hero]] background).
With a successful perception roll, the party notices a hole in the ground (X:67, Y:-1018), which contains the murder weapon, [[Stillmaker]].
With a successful perception roll, the party notices a hole in the ground (X:67, Y:-1018), which contains the murder weapon, [[Stillmaker]].


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With a perception check, blood can be noticed on the floor near the bed (X:-13, Y:76). Choosing to examine the blood leads to an investigation check of 10. If passed, it can be noticed that a body has been hidden under the bed. Pulling out the body reveals the corpse of [[Ffion Goldgrind]]. As with the other corpses, Ffion can be spoken to with Speak with Dead:
With a perception check, blood can be noticed on the floor near the bed (X:-13, Y:76). Choosing to examine the blood leads to an investigation check of 10. If passed, it can be noticed that a body has been hidden under the bed. Pulling out the body reveals the corpse of [[Ffion Goldgrind]]. As with the other corpses, Ffion can be spoken to with Speak with Dead:


* Who are you? ''Ffion Goldgrind...''
*Who are you? ''Ffion Goldgrind...''
* What is this place? ''Landlord...contraband storage...''
*What is this place? ''Landlord...contraband storage...''
* How did you die? ''Murdered...by my son...''
*How did you die? ''Murdered...by my son...''
* What were you doing when you died? ''Seeking...answers...''
*What were you doing when you died? ''Seeking...answers...''
* What answers did you seek? ''My boy...had a secret...evil secret...''
*What answers did you seek? ''My boy...had a secret...evil secret...''
* Who is your son? ''Dolor...''
*Who is your son? ''Dolor...''
* Why did your son kill you? ''Found... His secret... My sweet boy... Why...''
*Why did your son kill you? ''Found... His secret... My sweet boy... Why...''
* What was your son's secret? ''Killed...folk...slowly...he liked it...''
*What was your son's secret? ''Killed...folk...slowly...he liked it...''
* Who has your son killed? ''Me...and...and...*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
*Who has your son killed? ''Me...and...and...*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
* Who was your son's next target? ''Ilmater temple...Didn't see...exactly who...''
*Who was your son's next target? ''Ilmater temple...Didn't see...exactly who...''
* Where can I find your son? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
*Where can I find your son? ''*The corpse remains silent. It does not know.*''
* What does your son look like? ''Dwarf...Like me...Dresses in...red...''
*What does your son look like? ''Dwarf...Like me...Dresses in...red...''


On the table to the right of the room's entrance is a bloodstained parchment. This parchment contains a list of murder victims and can be picked up to present to Valeria as hard evidence.  
On the table to the right of the room's entrance is a bloodstained parchment (X:-21, Y:79). This parchment contains a list of murder victims and can be picked up to present to Valeria as hard evidence.  


=== Report Your Findings ===
===Report Your Findings===
After leaving the [[Open Hand Temple]], [[Valeria]] can be found drinking upstairs in [[Sharess' Caress]] (X:24, Y:92). Speaking with Valeria and selecting "Afraid so - I've found new evidence, Investigator." allows the party to share the results of their investigation. Selecting "Father Lorgan's murder is just one part of a bigger plot, a Bhaal plot." and then "It's not a theory - I have proof. This document contains information connecting the murders to the Bhaalist resurgence." allows the party to show Valeria the bloodstained parchment. The party member who speaks to Valeria must have the bloodstained parchment and Stillmaker in their inventory to get dialogue options about them.
After leaving the Open Hand Temple, Valeria can be found drinking upstairs in [[Sharess' Caress]] (X:24, Y:92). Speaking with Valeria and selecting "Afraid so - I've found new evidence, Investigator." allows the party to share the results of their investigation. Selecting "Father Lorgan's murder is just one part of a bigger plot, a Bhaal plot." and then "It's not a theory - I have proof. This document contains information connecting the murders to the Bhaalist resurgence." allows the party to show Valeria the bloodstained parchment. The party member who speaks to Valeria must have the bloodstained parchment and Stillmaker in their inventory to get dialogue options about them.


If the party successfully finds enough information to exonerate Brilgor of Father Lorgan's murder, and picks up the bloodstained parchment in Fraygo's Flophouse, then Valeria refers the party to speak to [[Gauntlet Devella]] at the [[Elfsong Tavern]] and provide a pass to the [[Lower City]] to allow them entrance.
If the party successfully finds enough information to exonerate Brilgor of Father Lorgan's murder, and picks up the bloodstained parchment in Fraygo's Flophouse, then Valeria refers the party to speak to [[Devella Fountainhead|Gauntlet Devella]] at the [[Elfsong Tavern]] and provide a pass to the [[Lower City]] to allow them entrance.


[[File:Valeria Pass.jpg|thumb|Valeria directs the party to Elfsong Tavern]]
[[File:Valeria Pass.jpg|thumb|Valeria directs the party to Elfsong Tavern]]


=== Valeria's Kidnapping ===
===Valeria's Kidnapping===
As the party progresses into the [[Lower City]], Valeria eventually is kidnapped by Bhaalists, and can be encountered as a part of [[Investigate the Murders]] and [[Impress the Murder Tribunal]]. If she is rescued, she accepts that the Bhaalist plot is not a hoax, and provide more information on location of the Bhaalist Temple.
As the party progresses into the [[Lower City]], Valeria eventually is kidnapped by Bhaalists, and can be encountered as a part of [[Investigate the Murders]] and [[Impress the Murder Tribunal]]. If she is rescued, she accepts that the Bhaalist plot is not a hoax, and provides more information on location of the Bhaalist Temple.
 
==Quest Rewards==
*Lower City Pass
 
== Related quests ==


== Quest Rewards ==
* [[Find the 'Stern Librarian' Ffion]]
* Lower City Pass


== Notes ==
==Notes==
* The area of the murder leads players to an area where [[Help the Cursed Monk]] can also be completed.  
*The area of the murder leads players to an area where [[Help the Cursed Monk]] can also be completed.
* Additionally, finding the Bhaalist murder list leads to Ffion's corpse, where [[Mamzell Amira]] can subsequently notified for [[Find the 'Stern Librarian' Ffion]].  
*Additionally, finding the Bhaalist murder list leads to Ffion's corpse, where [[Mamzell Amira]] can subsequently be notified for [[Find the 'Stern Librarian' Ffion]].
* Successfully providing evidence of the Bhaalist plot allows the completion of [[Find a way into Wyrm's Rock fortress]].
*Successfully providing evidence of the Bhaalist plot allows the completion of [[Find a way into Wyrm's Rock fortress]].
* Astarion approves, if passing the Investigation check on finding the body on Fraygo's Flophouse
*Astarion approves, if passing the Investigation check on finding the body on Fraygo's Flophouse
*To speak with Brilgor's dead body you first need to drag his portrait out of the coffin inventory screen onto the ground.


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