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:Oh wow, thanks for looking into the code there! I'm just testing by respeccing at Whithers and throwing myself at Mind Flayers + Flaming Fist so I definitely would've missed something as weird as disguising myself and then using Wild Shape. I'll try these out when I get a moment later today. Kind of interested to see whether this allows some of the Illithid reactions to work properly. [[User:Ankoria|Ankoria]] ([[User talk:Ankoria|talk]]) 20:54, 11 June 2024 (CEST) | :Oh wow, thanks for looking into the code there! I'm just testing by respeccing at Whithers and throwing myself at Mind Flayers + Flaming Fist so I definitely would've missed something as weird as disguising myself and then using Wild Shape. I'll try these out when I get a moment later today. Kind of interested to see whether this allows some of the Illithid reactions to work properly. [[User:Ankoria|Ankoria]] ([[User talk:Ankoria|talk]]) 20:54, 11 June 2024 (CEST) | ||
::Summarizing the results of our testing so far, here's how different reactions behave while simultaneously wild shaped and disguised: | |||
::Class features: | |||
::* {{SAI|Cutting Words}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Warding Flare}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Improved Warding Flare}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Guided Strike}}: Doesn't work | |||
::* {{SAI|War God's Blessing}}: Works (why does this work when Guided Strike does not?) | |||
::* {{SAI|Wrath of the Storm}}: Works though the animation is bugged | |||
::* {{SAI|Destructive Wrath}}: Doesn't seem to work? The reaction is not disabled, but nothing seems to trigger it including {{SAI|Grounded Thunder Strike}} and {{SAI|Electrified Flail}} | |||
::* {{SAI|Reckless Attack}}: Works, but only applies to the armed Myrmidon forms | |||
::* {{SAI|Projected Ward}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Deflect Missiles}}: Doesn't work | |||
::* {{SAI|Riposte}}: Works even for unarmed wild shape forms. Can also be acquired through Martial Adept feat | |||
::Feats: | |||
::* {{SAI|Sentinel: Vengeance}}: Explicitly coded to work with myrmidon forms normally. Using this approach, it can work with any wild shape, even unarmed ones. | |||
::* {{SAI|Mage Slayer: Attack Caster}}: Interestingly, this one works while wild shaped normally, but if you are also disguised, it doesn't work. The condition is just {{c|not HasStatus('SG_Disguise')}}. | |||
::* {{SAI|War Caster: Opportunity Spell}}: Doesn't work, likely for the same reason no other spells work | |||
::* {{SAI|Polearm Master: Opportunity Attack}}: No wild shape form has an applicable weapon. Water Myrmidon's trident doesn't count. | |||
::No reaction spells seem to work. This makes sense since every wildshape form applies {{C|BlockSpellCast()}}. I tested: | |||
::* {{SAI|Counterspell}}: Doesn't work | |||
::* {{SAI|Shield}}: Doesn't work | |||
::* {{SAI|Divine Smite}}: Doesn't work | |||
::* {{SAI|Hellish Rebuke}}: Doesn't work. The Fire Myrmidon has a built in variant that is not a spell. That one works of course. | |||
::Illithid powers: | |||
::* {{SAI|Charm}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Luck of the Far Realms}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Psionic Backlash}}: Works | |||
::* {{SAI|Psionic Dominance}}: Doesn't work. The enable condition is {{c|not HasStatus('SG_Polymorph') or Tagged('MINDFLAYER')}} instead | |||
::Misc: | |||
::* {{SAI|Tenacity}}: Works, but only applies to Air Myrmidon form. | |||
::[[User:NtCarlson|NtCarlson]] ([[User talk:NtCarlson|talk]]) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (CEST) |
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Reactions while in wild shape
I was testing to see what reactions work while wild shaped and I noticed the conditions for some of these reactions are:
not HasStatus('SG_Polymorph') or Tagged('MINDFLAYER') or HasStatus('SG_Disguise')
So they are disabled while just wild shaped, but if you are disguised and then wild shape they work. These conditions are used for a lot of reactions. The ones I tested are:
- : Works
- : Works
- : Doesn't work
- : Works (why does this work when Guided Strike does not?)
- : Works, but only with armed Myrmidons and there is no way to acquire this (level 7 Cleric) and myrmidon forms (level 10 druid) in normal gameplay
- : Works, but only applies to the armed Myrmidon forms
- : Works, but only applies to Air Myrmidon form
- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work
More testing is needed, but a bear bard who runs around in bear form taunting enemies with NtCarlson (talk) 20:41, 11 June 2024 (CEST)
and just might work.- Oh wow, thanks for looking into the code there! I'm just testing by respeccing at Whithers and throwing myself at Mind Flayers + Flaming Fist so I definitely would've missed something as weird as disguising myself and then using Wild Shape. I'll try these out when I get a moment later today. Kind of interested to see whether this allows some of the Illithid reactions to work properly. Ankoria (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2024 (CEST)
- Summarizing the results of our testing so far, here's how different reactions behave while simultaneously wild shaped and disguised:
- Class features:
- : Works
- : Works
- : Works
- : Doesn't work
- : Works (why does this work when Guided Strike does not?)
- : Works though the animation is bugged
- : Doesn't seem to work? The reaction is not disabled, but nothing seems to trigger it including and
- : Works, but only applies to the armed Myrmidon forms
- : Works
- : Doesn't work
- : Works even for unarmed wild shape forms. Can also be acquired through Martial Adept feat
- Feats:
- : Explicitly coded to work with myrmidon forms normally. Using this approach, it can work with any wild shape, even unarmed ones.
not HasStatus('SG_Disguise')
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: Interestingly, this one works while wild shaped normally, but if you are also disguised, it doesn't work. The condition is just - : Doesn't work, likely for the same reason no other spells work
- : No wild shape form has an applicable weapon. Water Myrmidon's trident doesn't count.
- No reaction spells seem to work. This makes sense since every wildshape form applies
BlockSpellCast()
. I tested:- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work
- : Doesn't work. The Fire Myrmidon has a built in variant that is not a spell. That one works of course.
- Illithid powers:
- : Works
- : Works
- : Works
not HasStatus('SG_Polymorph') or Tagged('MINDFLAYER')
instead : Doesn't work. The enable condition is
- Misc:
- : Works, but only applies to Air Myrmidon form.
- NtCarlson (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (CEST)