Guide:Stealth fighting

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Purpose[edit section | visual editor]

StealthStealth can be used to shape, ease, and - in many cases - avoid formal turn-based combat. This is typically accomplished through crowd control and object placement to either eliminate foes or enfeeble them to a state of near total defeat. Although stealth-based fighting has utility in many situations and at all difficulty levels, it is of particular use in Honour mode, where (for example) certain mistakes, bad rolls, or unforeseen events can lead to a Game Over.

Some examples of stealth-based fighting making things easier with Bosses include:


This guide assumes the party has a minimum level of 3.

Desired things[edit section | visual editor]

Classes[edit section | visual editor]

While any Rogue class is well suited for stealth fighting due to their typically high DexterityDexterity, four skill proficiencies, ability to select ExpertiseExpertise in stealth at level 1, acquisition of Reliable TalentReliable Talent at level 11, and their sneak attacksneak attack ability, thieves are usually the best overall choice due their additional Bonus Action at level 3, allowing for greater flexibility and control of the field in turn-based mode.

Conditions and related spells[edit section | visual editor]

First and foremost AdvantageAdvantage is of paramount importance for stealth fighting[1] out of combat. This is because, as duly noted on the stealth page, if a player character attacks while hiding: the character's Stealth check to remain unnoticed has DisadvantageDisadvantage by default and can be cancelled out by any source of AdvantageAdvantage for the check. So, if you've ever felt like stealth-based attacks have been stacked against you this may be why.

The methods to acquire advantage and other below conditions are best obtained obtained from casting by another party member due to their ConcentrationConcentration requirements (yet also see equipment below):

Armour and related stealth items[edit section | visual editor]

In total, the below items add AdvantageAdvantage and an average of +18 to all stealth checks (not including Dexterity)

Weapons and related items[edit section | visual editor]

Amoung other benefits, the below items can add up to +5 to the chance to critically hit (rolling 15 or higher on a d20)

Which bow should you use?[edit section | visual editor]

At Level 11, with a staggering 26 Strength (a +8 modifier), the math heavily favors the Titanstring Bow for raw damage, though The Dead Shot offers a 'safety net' for accuracy.

Here's the breakdown of how these two coveted bows compare for a Rogue’s single, high-stakes Sneak Attack.

The Damage Comparison[edit section | visual editor]

Assuming your stealth fighter has at least a 20 Dexterity (+5) and is Level 11 (6d6 Sneak Attack), the average damage per hit is as follows:

Feature Titanstring Bow The Dead Shot
Base Damage 1d8+1 1d8+2
Ability Modifiers +5 (Dex) and +8 (Str) +5 (Dex)
Sneak Attack 6d6 (Avg. 21) 6d6 (Avg. 21)
Average Total 39.5 Damage 32.5 Damage

With 26 Strength, the Titanstring Bow provides a flat +7 damage advantage on every single hit. Because flat damage modifiers (like the Titanstring's Strength bonus) do not double on critical hits, the gap remains consistent unless you are fishing exclusively for critical hits.


Why "The Dead Shot" is Tempting[edit section | visual editor]

While the Titanstring wins on paper for damage, The Dead Shot excels in two areas that are vital for Rogues:

  1. Keen Shot: This doubles your Proficiency Bonus (+4 at Level 11) to Attack Rolls. This essentially gives you a +4 bonus to hit, making it nearly impossible to miss.
  2. Improved Critical: It reduces the roll needed for a critical hit by 1. Since a Rogue’s 6d6 Sneak Attack dice do double on a critical hit, a crit with The Dead Shot deals an extra 1d8+6d6 (avg. 25.5) damage compared to a normal hit.

The likely winner: Titanstring Bow[edit section | visual editor]

Despite the accuracy of The Dead Shot, the Titanstring Bow is the better choice for a Level 11 Rogue with 26 Strength for one main reason: AdvantageAdvantage.

As a Rogue, you should almost always be attacking with Advantage (via Cunning Action: HideCunning Action: Hide). When you have Advantage, the +4 accuracy bonus from The Dead Shot becomes less significant because your "to-hit" chance is likely already 90%+.

The Titanstring's guaranteed +8 damage from Strength is simply too much to pass up, especially since it applies to every arrow. The extra +5% crit chance from The Dead Shot is still subject to RNG. This can be expressed as: 21*.05, or only an average of +1 extra damage per arrow over time.
Marksman's Tip: If you are using the Sharpshooter feat (−5 to hit, +10 damage), depending on your opponent's AC, the extra accuracy from The Dead Shot might actually be better to ensure your 6d6 Sneak Attack actually lands. Without Sharpshooter, the stealth fighter should probably stick to Titanstring.

Races, feats and related abilities[edit section | visual editor]

A picture of a halfling hireling at the wildnerness camp. She wears a wry and curious smile on her face.
You too can have a halfling hireling assassin in your party. Kill with a smile.
  • AstarionAstarion is the logical choice to start with for stealth fighting due to his HappyHappy condition. However once the character's stealth ability gets high enough and / or if one is concerned about critical failures (especially stealing in Honour mode), Lightfoot Halflings eventually make more sense due to their Halfling LuckHalfling Luck passive. This is likely at level 4, once the PC can be a level 1 thief and level 3 Trickery Domain cleric for their +10 to stealth from Pass Without TracePass Without Trace. Lightfoot halflings also get AdvantageAdvantage on StealthStealth checks and saves against fearfear. They can be hired from WithersWithers as early as level 3.
    • And yet, once the party is level 11 and Reliable TalentReliable Talent is available, Astarion once again becomes the clear favorite as an assassin since he can no longer roll lower than a 10 on stealth checks, eliminating the chance to critically fail and what would otherwise be a salient factor in choosing a lightfoot halfling.
  • ArcheryArchery - is helpful for its +2 to hit
  • LuckyLucky - can be useful where failure has particularly unfortunate results or, conversely, success is deemed essential[9]
  • Sharpshooter: All InSharpshooter: All In and Sharpshooter: Low GroundSharpshooter: Low Ground eliminate low ground penalties and allow the sniper to add +10 damage once their attack probabilities are high enough for their chosen targets
  • Sneak Attack (Ranged)Sneak Attack (Ranged) - their average added damage of +3.5 at every odd level is the main reason high-level Rogues are likely of more utility than other classes while stealth fighting out of proper turn-based combat[10]

Other items[edit section | visual editor]

Methods, tactics and reasoning[edit section | visual editor]

A picture of Jaheira using stealth sniper tactics against Iron Consul Nuff on the ground floor of Wyrm's Rock Fortress. She is at the edge of the normal range where a sneak attack can be made.
The edge of the normal range where a sneak attack can be made.
A picture of Jaheira using stealth sniper tactics against Iron Consul Nuff on the ground floor of Wyrm's Rock Fortress. She is at the edge of the extended range where a ranged attack can be made.
The edge of the extended range where a ranged attack can be made. In this case, the disadvantage penalty is slightly more than a -4 to hit and no sneak attack damage will be applied. Note that the edge of extended rage is only slightly further away than the edge of normal range.

In many cases, in the interest of safety and flexibility, sniper-fighting will be the preferred method of dispatching foes. The surprise page explains:

If a character's Stealth is high enough then enemies will sometimes fail to notice them even as their allies are being attacked and killed from a distance. This can even work with Area of Effect spells such as FireballFireball as long as the party member casting it remains hidden. The enemies will run around in a desperate search for the party member but be unable to find them. This can be accomplished with a high Dexterity score, Proficiency and Expertise in stealth, AdvantageAdvantage in dexterity or stealth checks, and certain spells and abilities such as Pass Without TracePass Without Trace.

With the first two pictures on the right, the reader can see how the range of the attacking character influences how stealth tactics may be used. The first shows a shot at the edge of normal range (preferred) and with the second, one ready at the edge of extended range (when needed).

When sniper-fighting opponents, the goal is to defeat or weaken them in turn-based mode, but out of formal turn-based combat mode. For sneak attacksneak attack damage to apply with ranged attacks while avoiding the possibility of starting formal combat, all ranged attacks must be done while hidinghiding and very near the end range of the ranged weapon's normal range.

Specifically, the High ground rules page states:

A ranged weapon's 'maximum effective range' is its 'normal attack range'. Beyond this, the attacker suffers a 'Target outside normal range' penalty which applies DisadvantageDisadvantage to the attack roll. Unlike attack range abilities, this effective range is *not* extended by the high ground range extension. It is also measured using the true distance between the attacker and target, not just the horizontal component. Thus, maximum attack range and effective weapon range are equal at level elevations, but diverge when dealing with elevation 'differences'. Practically speaking, this means this penalty is only encountered when extending the attack range with elevation, particularly high ground range extension. Spell attacks do not have a maximum effective range and do not suffer this penalty when attacking beyond normal range.

Acting alone, to the extent that thieves fight sniper-style using the above desired things, they have increasingly good odds of sneak attackingsneak attacking opponents at their weapon's maximum normal range, typically with respectable (if not excellent) chances of hitting, while successfully maintaining stealth and / or Greater InvisibilityGreater Invisibility until their chosen foes are deaddead. In doing so, the thief is advised to take care to first trim opponents at the periphery of a targeted area with many lines of sight, then work their way in to avoid starting an unwanted fight.

A picture of Astarion crouching in Ethel's Ancient Abode, ready to use stealth tactics against her. The pictures shows several buffs bring his base stealth bonus to a plus 22.
Astarion has numerous buffs for his mission to bring Auntie Ethel to heel before combat.

Example: to the right, a fully buffed level 5 Astarion (1 as rogue, 4 as cleric) has already exposed Auntie EthelAuntie Ethel (he was InvisibleInvisible while he did that) and is ready to engage with a base +22 to stealth, making the task a relatively reliable proposition to execute. His +22 bonus is comprised of the following:

Astarion also receives the following bonuses not shown in the +22 figure:

Consequences[edit section | visual editor]

Constantly stealth-fighting can be a tedious affair. It requires preparation/planning and repetition, as well as careful placement and action far away from the rest of the active party to isolate combat when things go wrong, as they inevitably will (although the goal, of course, is to greatly reduce these odds). It is also considerably riskier in honour mode. Additionally, doing this much of the time will significantly slow the pace of the game, and is considered cheesing by many. Still, the primary goal of making many battles considerably easier, or (by most practical measures) avoiding them altogether, is quite tenable as a result.

In conclusion, if you've read this far, and especially if you're playing in Honour mode, where Larian feels free to throw everything they have at you - and more, the above tactics and equipment are viable paths to victory and - ultimately - golden dice.

Notes and references[edit section | visual editor]

  1. Lightfoot Halflings already have Advantage on stealth checks.
  2. Actions with the Invisible flag can be performed without this Stealth check. They also do not increase the Stealth check DC of subsequent actions.
    • Outside of Honour mode, the DC of maintaining (greater) invisibility scales linearly: DC=15+(number of previous successful Stealth checks)
    • In Honour mode, the DC scales quadratically: DC=15+(number of previous successful Stealth checks)2
      • If one plans to use greater invisibility while in honour mode, it's advisable to have this spell re-cast after perhaps 3 to 4 attacks to avoid unwanted spell failure in what could become dire circumstances.
  3. It is difficult to overstate the utility of Minor Illusion for luring and / or distracting foes to more secluded areas to rob or kill desired targets, making a single level in Bard, Sorceror, Warlock or Wizard, an attractive option, especially in Honour Mode.
  4. The +2 Dexterity from The Graceful Cloth stacks with the same from the Mirror of Loss, raising the wearer's from 18 to 22.
  5. The +2 Dexterity from Nimblefinger Glove stacks with the same from the Mirror of Loss, raising the wearer's from 20 to 24.
  6. Once the Ring of Shadows is acquired, the player character is freed from the need to keep 3 levels as a Trickery Domain cleric and can respec with WithersWithers to more potent class combinations.
  7. By the time the player character gets Bloodthirst they're likely a level 11 or 12 rogue, have Reliable Talent and therefore arguably less need for the +1 stealth the Gloomstrand Shield provides.
  8. Once the user has a high enough attack value, other headwear such as Covert Cowl or Sarevok's Horned Helmet are likely more useful than the +1 to hit from the Marksmanship Hat.
  9. As a level 11 rogue / level 1 fighter is a strong combination once the player character attains level 12, such a build will have 3 feats. It is suggested the player consider these three for such a build: Ability Improvement (to bring Dex from 17 to 19) Sharpshooter (for sniper firepower), and either Athlete (to bring Dex to 20) or LuckyLucky (if playing in Honour mode, in which case base Dex should be 16, not 17). Such a build is not intended for the purposes of this guide to be used in regular turn-based combat, where AlertAlert would otherwise be essential in Honour Mode.
  10. While exceptions surely exist to this rule of thumb, it's usually a good idea to maximize sneak attack damage to speed up the already slow process of sniper-killing. A level 11 Thief/ level 1 Fighter with the archery fighting style makes for a good level 12 combo, as does a level 11 Thief / level 1 Bard.